How fast does density change in an isobaric system?

In summary, the conversation discusses an isobaric system with an ideal heater set to a given temperature in a STP environment. The density of the gas over time at a given distance from the heater surface is the main question, but there is not enough information provided to determine this accurately. Factors such as equilibrium, gas particle speed, collision frequency, energy accommodation coefficient, and relaxation constant may also need to be considered. The problem is further simplified by changing the STP environment to an infinite volume of 100kPa Argon at 293.2K. A Navier-Stokes solver is suggested to find an approximate time to reach equilibrium and its relationship to distance.
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Suppose the following

  • an isobaric system
  • an ideal heater(1) of infinite area on a single plane in a STP environment
  • the heater is set to a given temperature

At a given distance perpendicular to the heater surface, what will the density of the gas be over time?

I spent a good part of the day getting nowhere, hopefully someone here can help.

Thank you,

S.L.

1: All gas particle interactions with the heater result in the gas particle leaving at the set temperature of the heater
 
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If you are asked for the density p(x,t) then there isn't enough information - without equilibrium there may be eddies and currents in the gas giving chaotic density fluctuations at any point. Presumably there is something else to take into account?
 
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I would speculate that in an idealized system, this would be a function of the mean air particle speed, the mean collision frequency, energy accommodation coefficient, and possibly some relaxation constant/coefficient.

We can simplify the problem further by changing the STP environment to an infinite volume of 100kPa Argon at 293.2K

I'm interested in the approximate time it takes to get to equilibrium, and the quadratic relationship to distance.

Any takers?
 
  • #4
Look for a Navier-Stokes solver, it will get you an answer within 15% accuracy.
 
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In an isobaric system, where pressure is kept constant, the density of the gas will change over time due to changes in temperature. In this specific scenario, where an ideal heater of infinite area is used to heat the gas to a certain temperature, the density will change as the temperature increases. This is because as the gas particles interact with the heater and are heated to a higher temperature, they will have more kinetic energy and thus move faster. This increase in speed will result in the gas particles occupying a larger volume, leading to a decrease in density.

The rate at which the density changes will depend on the rate at which the gas is heated and the specific properties of the gas, such as its heat capacity and thermal conductivity. However, in an ideal system where all gas particle interactions with the heater result in the gas particles leaving at the set temperature, the density change should occur relatively quickly.

To determine the exact rate of density change over time, one would need to consider the specific conditions of the system and perform calculations using thermodynamic principles. Additionally, the distance from the heater surface would also play a role in the density change, as the gas particles further away from the heater may not be as affected by the heating and thus may have a slower rate of density change.

In summary, the density of a gas in an isobaric system will change over time as a result of heating from an ideal heater. The exact rate of change will depend on various factors and can be determined through calculations.
 

1. What is an isobaric system?

An isobaric system is a thermodynamic system in which the pressure is kept constant while other variables, such as temperature and volume, may change.

2. How is density defined in an isobaric system?

Density in an isobaric system is defined as the mass per unit volume of the substance at a constant pressure. It is often denoted by the symbol ρ (rho).

3. Does density change in an isobaric system?

Yes, density can change in an isobaric system. This is because, although pressure is kept constant, other factors such as temperature and volume can affect the density of the substance.

4. How fast does density change in an isobaric system?

The rate of change of density in an isobaric system depends on the rate of change of temperature and/or volume. The specific heat capacity of the substance also plays a role in determining how fast the density changes.

5. Can the density of a substance in an isobaric system ever remain constant?

Yes, it is possible for the density of a substance in an isobaric system to remain constant if the temperature and volume of the substance do not change. This is because the density of a substance is directly proportional to its temperature and inversely proportional to its volume, as per the ideal gas law.

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