What is the process of losing a hydrogen and forming an ionic bond called?

In summary, the conversation is discussing the process of glutamic acid losing a hydrogen to form an ionic bond with Na+ and whether this is considered an oxidation. The driving force for this reaction is also mentioned to be acid-base reactions that produce salts, which is an exothermic reaction. The participant also mentions dissociation and how it relates to reduction and oxidation, although there is some disagreement on this topic.
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aychamo
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Hi,

I'm having a brain fart. Consider the amino acid glutamate (glutamic acid):

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->

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When it forms an ionic bond with Na+ to make MSG, the glutamic acid loses it's hydrogen on the right side. Is it that it was "oxidized"? Or what do we call the process where it loses the hydrogen and is then able to form an ionic bond? And what is the driving force for this reaction?
 
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Are you familiar with acid - base reactions that produce salts ?

Na OH + H Cl ---> Na+ Cl- + H2O

This is an exothermic reaction as for the driving force.
 
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Another keyword: dissociation.
 
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Thank you. I'm many years out of college now and just barely remember how this works. :)
 
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No losing a hydrogen cation is always a reduction because the hydrogen leaves but doesn't take any electrons with it, which means more electrons for the molecule.
 
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CrimpJiggler said:
No losing a hydrogen cation is always a reduction because the hydrogen leaves but doesn't take any electrons with it, which means more electrons for the molecule.

Absurd. Especially in the case of strong acids electron is already strongly bound to the conjugate base, so there is no charge transfer and dissociation has nothing to do with reduction nor oxidation.

Using the same way of thinking NaCl dissociation is also a redox reaction.
 

What are amino acids?

Amino acids are the building blocks of proteins. They are organic compounds that contain an amino group (-NH2) and a carboxyl group (-COOH) attached to a central carbon atom.

What is the role of hydrogen in amino acids?

Hydrogen is an essential element in amino acids as it helps stabilize the structure of proteins through hydrogen bonding. It also plays a role in determining the acidity or basicity of an amino acid.

How does an amino acid lose a hydrogen?

Amino acids can lose a hydrogen atom through a process called deprotonation, where the hydrogen is removed from the amino group (-NH2) or the carboxyl group (-COOH). This results in the formation of an amino acid ion.

What are the consequences of amino acid losing a hydrogen?

The consequences of amino acid losing a hydrogen can vary depending on the specific amino acid and the location of the lost hydrogen. In some cases, it can alter the charge and polarity of the amino acid, which can affect its interactions with other molecules.

How do scientists study amino acid losing a hydrogen?

Scientists study amino acid losing a hydrogen through various methods such as spectroscopy, mass spectrometry, and nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) spectroscopy. These techniques allow for the identification and analysis of amino acids and their chemical properties.

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