Difference between force and energy.

In summary, the conversation discusses the concepts of force, energy, and momentum, and how they are related in electromagnetic phenomena. The force and energy have specific meanings and are affected by direction and magnitude, while momentum is a factor of velocity. The conversation also addresses a confusion about the relationship between mass, momentum, and energy in the case of a photon, which is an electromagnetic wave and does not have a determined mass.
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suchal
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I guess my tittle is self explanatory, but I see energy's concept of relativity not of "ability to do anything".
if electromagnetism a force, then why some people say it is energy?
 
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Electromagnetism is a phenomenon. It involves momentum, force, energy, space and time. Energy and force have very specific meanings.

In most general terms when a system can move or change (translate through space, rotate, deform, etc.) A force relates the amount of energy expended (or gained) when one moves the system a given (small) distance. If you push on an object with a certain force [itex]F[/itex] over a certain distance [itex]\Delta x[/itex] the object gains Kinetic energy by the amount [itex]F\cdot \Delta x[/itex]. Note direction and +/- signs matter here. Throw a rock up (positive direction) and the downward (negative) force is opposite the upward motion so it gains negative kinetic energy (looses kinetic energy) and slows.

If you can move an object in many directions it is easier to express the components of force in each direction as a single vector force with direction and magnitude. This vector will point in the direction in which the object gains the most energy for a given amount of motion and the magnitude corresponds to the energy per distance in that direction.

Note that while force can have a direction, energy does not. Energy is a scalar while force is a vector quantity.

Another important quantity is momentum. Momentum relates a (small) change in kinetic energy to a small change in velocity when considering a system changing position over time. Now momentum itself depends on velocity so you'll see a factor of 1/2 in formulas for kinetic energy.
[itex]KE = \frac{1}{2} m v^2=\frac{1}{2}pv[/itex], where [itex]p = mv[/itex]
[itex] \Delta KE = \frac{1}{2}\Delta p \cdot v + \frac{1}{2}p\cdot \Delta v = \frac{1}{2}(2 m v \Delta v) = p\Delta v[/itex]
(here the [itex]\Delta[/itex] symbol means "change in").

Note that again momentum is a vector quantity as is velocity.

This gives another interpretation of a force as the rate of change of momentum of an object. When momentum is velocity times (a constant) mass you get Newton's F = ma where a is the acceleration (rate of change of velocity).

We can generalize these to rotary motion and speak of rotary force (torque) as the amount of work done per angle we turn an object and the rotary momentum (angular momentum) as the rate of change in kinetic energy as we change speed of rotation.
 
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thank you very much. I got it. Just one confusion is there, when p=mv2 then why a photon for which m=0 has p>0 and it's E==KE but depends on it's wavelength and frequency?
 
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suchal said:
thank you very much. I got it. Just one confusion is there, when p=mv2 then why a photon for which m=0 has p>0 and it's E==KE but depends on it's wavelength and frequency?

The photon's energy and momentum are not determined by it's mass. Instead see here for how to determine the photons energy and momentum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#Physical_properties
As for the why, I believe it is because it is an electromagnetic wave, not a particle with mass.
 
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Force and energy are two fundamental concepts in physics that are often confused with each other. While they are closely related, they are not the same thing.

Force is a measurement of the interaction between two objects. It is a vector quantity, meaning it has both magnitude and direction. Force can be described as a push or pull on an object that causes it to accelerate. For example, when you push a door, you are applying a force to it.

On the other hand, energy is a measurement of the ability to do work. It is a scalar quantity, meaning it only has magnitude and no direction. Energy can be stored in an object or system and can be transferred from one object to another. It is responsible for causing changes in the motion, shape, or temperature of an object.

Electromagnetism is a force, specifically an interaction between charged particles. It is responsible for the attraction or repulsion between charged objects. However, it is also a form of energy because it can be transferred from one object to another. This is where the confusion arises. Electromagnetism is both a force and a type of energy, depending on how it is being described.

In summary, force and energy are two distinct concepts that are often used interchangeably. While they are related, they have different definitions and are measured differently. Understanding the difference between the two is crucial in accurately describing and analyzing physical phenomena.
 

What is the difference between force and energy?

Force and energy are often confused with each other, but they are actually two different concepts. Force is a push or pull on an object that can cause it to accelerate or change direction. Energy, on the other hand, is the ability to do work. In other words, force is what causes energy to be transferred from one object to another.

How are force and energy related?

Force and energy are closely related because force is what causes energy to be transferred from one object to another. For example, when you push a ball, you are applying a force to it, which causes it to move and gain kinetic energy. Similarly, when you lift an object, you are applying a force against gravity, which requires energy.

Can energy be converted into force?

No, energy cannot be converted into force. Force is a physical interaction between two objects, while energy is a property of an object. However, energy can be converted into different forms, such as potential energy being converted into kinetic energy when an object is in motion.

Which one is more important, force or energy?

Neither force nor energy is more important than the other. They are both fundamental concepts in physics and are equally important in understanding the behavior of objects. Force and energy are also interdependent, as force is necessary to transfer energy from one object to another.

Is it possible to have energy without force?

No, it is not possible to have energy without force. As mentioned earlier, force is what causes energy to be transferred from one object to another. In order for an object to have energy, it must have been acted upon by a force at some point. However, an object can have energy without any external forces acting on it, as in the case of potential energy in an object at rest.

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