Finding E on the Z Axis: A Differential Approach

In summary, the conversation discusses a regular 13-sided polygon with charges distributed on each corner. The question is what a test charge would experience in the center, to which the answer is a net force of zero due to the symmetry of the polygon. Removing one of the charges would result in a non-zero net force, which can be calculated by subtracting the force due to the removed charge from the previous result of zero. The conversation also explores a more elegant way to solve the problem by using cylindrical coordinates and considering a differential cylinder near the point of interest.
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ozone
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Imagine you have a regular 13 sided polygon with charges distributed on every corner of the polygon.

What would a test charge experience in the center?

The answer to that was a 0 net force (which makes some intuitive sense to me due to the symmetry of the polygon). I understand that if we were to place a force in the

However what would happen if one were to remove one of the charges?

Thanks.
 
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Just draw the 12 arrows and you´ll see the result.
 
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Gordianus said:
Just draw the 12 arrows and you´ll see the result.
That seems a rather tedious and time-consuming way to go about this. It is much easier to take the previous result of zero, then subtract the force that was due to the removed charge.
 
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Alright that seems like a reasonable way to go about this.. I guess I just want to double check too that describing the symmetry of the polygon is an adequate way to solve this problem, and if there was a more elegant way to answer the problem.
 
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Gordianus said:
Just draw the 12 arrows and you´ll see the result.
After thinking more, actually this is not difficult. The 12 arrows form 12 sides of a 13-sided regular polygon; the missing side gives the resulting force. Nice way to look at it!
 
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and a nicee idea!
imagine we have an N gon on xy page.we want to find the E vector at some z(out the page over the center of polygon) but not actually OVER the center.say we move away from the axis z(which starts at O which is the center of polygon) a tiny length delta .it means in cylindrical coordinates we are at z(z) and delta(r) and some phi(which won't matter).to the first nonzero order of delta we want the E vector.
the idea:finding E on the z axis is fairly easy.(because of symmetry).the trick is to take a differential cylinder near the point on the axis and write divergence>>everything going in comes out.things which go in is Ez from below and Ez+dz comes out .also from the sides of cylinder E r comes out.(we want E r)equating the flux simply gives the desired E.nicee!
 

1. What is a 13 Sided Polygon of Charges?

A 13 Sided Polygon of Charges is a geometric shape made up of 13 electric charges equally spaced around the perimeter. This structure is used to model the electric field of a particular system, such as a molecule or crystal.

2. How is a 13 Sided Polygon of Charges created?

A 13 Sided Polygon of Charges is created by arranging 13 electric charges in a regular polygon shape. The charges must be evenly spaced and have alternating signs (positive and negative). This can be done physically by using charged objects or mathematically by assigning values to the charges.

3. What is the significance of a 13 Sided Polygon of Charges?

A 13 Sided Polygon of Charges is significant because it is used to model the electric field of a system. By understanding the electric field, we can better understand the interactions and behavior of the charges within the system. It also helps us calculate important properties such as potential energy and force.

4. How does the shape of a 13 Sided Polygon of Charges affect the electric field?

The shape of a 13 Sided Polygon of Charges affects the electric field by determining the strength and direction of the field at any point in space. The electric field is strongest at the corners of the polygon and weakest at the center. The shape also determines the symmetry of the field, which can have important implications for the behavior of the charges.

5. Can a 13 Sided Polygon of Charges be used to model any system?

While a 13 Sided Polygon of Charges can be used to model many systems, it is not a perfect representation of all systems. The charges in a real system are not evenly spaced and may have different magnitudes. However, the 13 Sided Polygon of Charges is a useful tool for understanding and approximating the electric field of many systems.

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