Cant find the general solution

In summary, the conversation discusses a general solution for a given equation and involves using multiple techniques such as substitution and integration. The conversation also touches upon the importance of considering variable changes when integrating functions. The final solution involves finding a value for the constant B.
  • #1
Laney5
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Im looking for a general solution to the following equation but i can't seem to get an answer.
3xdy = (ln(y[tex]^{6}[/tex]) - 6lnx)ydx

I've got this far anyway..

[tex]\frac{3x}{y}[/tex] dy = (ln(y[tex]^{6}[/tex])-ln(x[tex]^{6}[/tex])) dx

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{y}{3x}[/tex] . 6ln[tex]\frac{y}{x}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{y}{x}[/tex] . 2ln[tex]\frac{y}{x}[/tex]

Let z = [tex]\frac{y}{x}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dz}{dx}[/tex] = (x[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] - y) / x[tex]^{2}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dz}{dx}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{x}[/tex]([tex]\frac{y}{x}[/tex] . 2ln[tex]\frac{y}{x}[/tex]) - [tex]\frac{y}{x^2}[/tex]

z = [tex]\frac{y}{x}[/tex] gives

[tex]\frac{dz}{dx}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{x}[/tex](2zlnz) - [tex]\frac{z}{x}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dz}{dx}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{x}[/tex](2zlnz-z)

[tex]\frac{dz}{2zlnz - z}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{x}[/tex]dx

now I am stuck...??
 
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  • #2
I presume it is the
[tex]\frac{dz}{2zlnz- z}[/tex]
that is giving you the problem!

Write it as
[tex]\frac{1}{2ln z- 1}\frac{dz}{z}[/tex]
and let u= 2ln z- 1.
 
  • #3
Ya, its that part alright!

Do i write it like [tex]\frac{1}{u}[/tex] [tex]\int[/tex] [tex]\frac{dz}{z}[/tex]?

[tex]\frac{1}{u}[/tex] [tex]\int[/tex] [tex]\frac{dz}{z}[/tex] = Integral([tex]\frac{dx}{x}[/tex])



[tex]\frac{1}{u}[/tex] (lnz) = lnx + C

[tex]\frac{1}{2lnz - 1}[/tex] (lnz) = lnx + C

Is this right?
 
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  • #4
Laney5 said:
Ya, its that part alright!

Do i write it like [tex]\frac{1}{u}[/tex] [tex]\int[/tex] [tex]\frac{dz}{z}[/tex]?

[tex]\frac{1}{u}[/tex] [tex]\int[/tex] [tex]\frac{dz}{z}[/tex] = Integral([tex]\frac{dx}{x}[/tex])



[tex]\frac{1}{u}[/tex] (lnz) = lnx + C

[tex]\frac{1}{2lnz - 1}[/tex] (lnz) = lnx + C

Is this right?
No. Notice that u is a function of z and is therefore not constant under integration with respect to z. Therefore you need to make a change of variable from [itex]dz\mapsto du[/itex].
 
  • #5
u=2lnz-1
du=2([tex]\frac{1}{z}[/tex])dz
([tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex])du=([tex]\frac{1}{z}[/tex])dx

([tex]\frac{1}{u}[/tex]).([tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex])du=([tex]\frac{1}{x}[/tex])dx

[tex]\frac{1}{2}\int[/tex][tex]\frac{1}{u}[/tex]du=[tex]\int\frac{1}{x}[/tex]dx

([tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex])lnu=lnx + C

ln(u)[tex]^{1/2}[/tex] - lnx = C

ln[[tex]\frac{(u)^{1/2}}{x}[/tex]] = C

u=2lnz-1

ln[[tex]\frac{(2lnz-1)^{1/2}}{x}[/tex]] = C

z=[tex]\frac{y}{x}[/tex]

ln[[tex]\frac{(2ln\frac{y}{x}-1)^{1/2}}{x}[/tex]] = C

[tex]e^{ln[\frac{(2ln\frac{y}{x}-1)^{1/2}}{x}] }[/tex] = [tex]e^C[/tex] , Let [tex]e^C[/tex] = B

[tex]\frac{(2ln\frac{y}{x}-1)^{1/2}}{x}[/tex] = B

Am i doing it correctly?
 
  • #6
Looks okay to me :smile:
 

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