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Mercator
It's so easy to sloganize. But I can prove that the US is more socialist than the EU.
wasteofo2 said:...However, most EU nations have more extensive garunteed health care for everyone, more progressive tax rates, and more social programs,
That's Socialism for ya', everyone gets decent stuff, wheras in Capitalism, lots of people get nothing, lots of people get bad stuff, and lots of people get good stuff.GENIERE said:Your quote should read -The average person in the EU receives more extensive, guaranteed mediocre health care compared to the average US citizen, higher tax rates for all, and more social programs.
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Mercator said:It's so easy to sloganize. But I can prove that the US is more socialist than the EU.
wasteofo2 said:The US is Socialist alright, but I don't know about more Socialist (by more Socialist, I assume you mean farther from Capitalism and closer to Communism) than the EU. But then agian, I don't know a great deal about the EU...
PerennialII said:Don't really know where you're picking your info, but the last time this was discussed the health care system of the US wasn't anything but a big mess compared to many "socialist" systems out there.
GENIERE said:This enlightening statement makes me want to move to a EU nation where I could enjoy decent stuff while receiving mediocre health care...
In truth, Belgium does provide good health care (lots of private stuff there). Good enough to be an incentive for their tourist industry. The country attracts patients from other less fortunate EU countries. Get well then tour the country. Maybe we’ll see Belgium owned health care franchises in France, England, Germany… Probably not, the tourist lobby is quite powerful. But then again, the Belgium national debt is 102% of the nations GDP (vs. US 64%) so the country really could use the money.
franznietzsche said:Coming from a guy in china.
The irony makes my sides ache, and my lungs beg for air.
GENIERE said:“…Whatever Europeans may think about the U.S. healthcare system, it has been an excellent laboratory for testing the best and worst ways to pay for, provide and manage health services. Smart Europeans will meet with leading U.S. healthcare companies, and the state and local policymakers that hired them, to learn what works and what does not…”
vanesch said:... and maybe some day we will have to think by ourselves !
Mercator said:Well people don't always get my irony, so thanks for your understanding. On the other hand, it is clear for all who live in China that China is much LESS socialist than the US. It is a dictatorship with a red flag as a symbol, purely by coincidence.
Mercator said:In every company I worked for, the American branch ( I talk about three multinationals) was the least productive (revenue/manpower), had the highest labour and related social costs and the highest sickleave. (That is, if we are discussing "socialism" as a way to organize society)
phatmonky said:lUSA GDP $11,000 Billion
phatmonky said:EDIT- I'm not France Bashing, pick any EU country. I am overly disgusted by the generalizations in this thread. Can we atleast pull some numbers instead of saying "This is better! nu uh, this is!"
loseyourname said:Is there any particular reason you didn't write that as $11 trillion?
franznietzsche said:Oh, i agree completely.
However, i disagree that the US is a socialist country. More socialist than China, sure. Truly socialist no. The moment it is, i'll be on my way out faster than light itself.
To be more accurate, about half the country are "socialist dolts and flatheads", and the other half are bible-thumping lunatics. And I, the atheist economic (couldn't find a good adjective for extreme conservatism other than "nazi") conservative, am just about screwed by both.
Love my country, hate the people in it. On both sides of the political fence.
I have several American colleagues and friends with very balanced opinions, (I have met some real extreme rednecks too). Perhaps people with international exposure have a broader mind. But then some of them must be communists because they live in China...franznietzsche said:Love my country, hate the people in it. On both sides of the political fence.
Mercator said:I have several American colleagues and friends with very balanced opinions, (I have met some real extreme rednecks too). Perhaps people with international exposure have a broader mind. But then some of them must be communists because they live in China...
The USA implemented a variety of measures under socialism to address unemployment. This included creating a job guarantee program, implementing a minimum wage, and investing in infrastructure projects to create jobs.
Yes, the unemployment rate decreased significantly under socialism in the USA. With the implementation of various job creation programs and policies, the unemployment rate dropped to historic lows.
The government played a significant role in solving unemployment under socialism. They were responsible for implementing policies and programs to create jobs and ensure a minimum standard of living for all citizens.
Under socialism, the economy saw a significant increase in job creation. This was due to the government's investment in job creation programs and policies, as well as the redistribution of wealth to support small businesses and stimulate economic growth.
There were several challenges in implementing socialism to solve unemployment in the USA. These included resistance from capitalist forces, budget constraints, and the need for a shift in societal attitudes towards collective ownership and redistribution of wealth.