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Attractive Forces from Particle Exchange

by anorlunda
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anorlunda
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Jul20-14, 09:18 AM
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Above is Figure 65 from Feynman's book QED. It shows the bidirectional stream of photons between an electron and a nucleus, that Feynman says "keeps the electron within a certain range." I can visualize repulsive forces, but I'm having trouble with attractive forces.

I understand that force comes from the gradient of fields, and that fields result from the presence of particles, so I should be able to answer my own question, but I'm having trouble putting it all together.


"Feynman diagram general properties" by Maschen

My thinking reflects the Feynman diagram above that I found on Wikipedia. As long as a right moving photon carries only right pointing momentum, (ditto for left) it can only produce repulsive forces. It sounds like I am describing radiation pressure, which indeed can only be repulsive between two emitting neighbors. But I fail to include in the analysis the magnitude and signs of the charges of the two particles, which is the elephant in the room.

As I see it, Feynman's Figure 65 would be the same if I substituted a positron for the electron, and Maschen's Feynman diagram would be the same regardless of charges. So there's got to be more to the story.

What am I missing, and where is a source I can go to learn more about it?

p.s. I have the same conceptual problem with gluons, Z bosons, W bosons, and gravitons. If they are simply carriers of momentum, exchanges of particles should create only repulsive forces. Clearly I'm thinking wrong.
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Simon Bridge
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Jul20-14, 09:25 AM
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This is a common question:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic...particles.html
... question (2).

TLDR: you have correctly identified a flaw in the picture you have already been given. The actual model is somewhat more complicated than that.
anorlunda
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Jul20-14, 09:50 AM
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Wow; that's quite an answer. It will take me some time to absorb it. Thank you Simon Bridge.


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