Christoffel symbols from definition or Lagrangian

In summary: Therefore, it is difficult to provide examples where this method breaks down, but it is important to carefully define the method before attempting to find such examples.In summary, the conversation discusses the computation of Christoffel symbols on a regular surface using the Lagrangian method. However, the definition of this method is not clear, making it difficult to provide examples where it breaks down.
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I asked this question in the tensor analysis formum but did we did not reach a satisfactory conclusion.

Here is the problem:

Let [itex]\mathbf{x} : U \subset\mathbb{R}^2 \to S[/itex] be a local parametrization of a regular surface S. Then the coefficients of the second derivatives of x in the basis of the tangent space are defined to be the Christoffel symbols.

On the other hand, if we write the first fundamental form [itex]ds^2 = E du^2 + 2F du dv + G dv^2[/itex] in differential form we have an extremization problem of the arc-length

Then the coefficients of of the corresponding Euler-Lagrange equations are essentially the Christoffel symbols.

Are there any interesting examples where the Lagrangian method of computing Christoffel symbols breaks down?
 
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The difficulty with this question is that it is not clear what is meant by "Lagrangian method of computing Christoffel symbols". It is possible to compute Christoffel symbols using a variety of methods, such as the direct computation of the derivatives of the coordinates, or the use of the geodesic equation. It is also possible to compute them using the first fundamental form and the Euler-Lagrange equations. However, it is not clear which of these methods is referred to as the "Lagrangian method".
 

1. What are Christoffel symbols?

Christoffel symbols are a set of mathematical quantities used in the study of curved spaces, such as in the field of differential geometry. They are also known as the Christoffel symbols of the second kind or the Levi-Civita connection.

2. How are Christoffel symbols defined?

Christoffel symbols are defined as the coefficients of the affine connection in a given coordinate system. They are calculated from the metric tensor of the space and represent the change in the direction of a vector as it moves along a given path on the curved surface.

3. What is the significance of Christoffel symbols in Lagrangian mechanics?

In Lagrangian mechanics, the Christoffel symbols play a crucial role in the formulation of the equations of motion. They appear in the Lagrangian equations of motion as the components of the acceleration term, and can also be used to calculate the geodesic equations which describe the shortest paths between points on a curved surface.

4. How do Christoffel symbols relate to the curvature of a space?

The Christoffel symbols are closely related to the curvature of a space. They are used to calculate the Riemann curvature tensor, which is a measure of the intrinsic curvature of a space. The Riemann curvature tensor is then used to calculate other important quantities such as the Ricci tensor and the scalar curvature.

5. Can Christoffel symbols be used in other fields of science?

Yes, Christoffel symbols have applications in various fields of science, including general relativity, cosmology, and quantum mechanics. They are also used in engineering and computer graphics for modeling and simulating curved surfaces.

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