Ideal Gasses, Double-Layered floating objects, and immersion in oil

In summary, the conversation discusses three different physics problems and the attempts made to solve them. The first problem involves finding the displacement of an expandable cylinder when the temperature is raised to 270°C. The second problem involves finding the density of an object and the density of oil using a balance and different liquids. The third problem involves finding the distance from the bottom face of an ice cube to the top of the water when ethyl alcohol is added to the water surface. The solutions provided for each problem were not entirely accurate and the person is seeking help to correctly solve the problems.
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I'm absolutely confused on this number 3. I've attempted this question but there must be something I'm missing out which makes a difference. An explanation would be nice. In order to find the displacement in part a wouldn't you need to know the pressure at 270 degrees? I used the ideal gas law and came down to Pf*Vf/Pi*Vi=Tf/Ti and I have everything except for the final pressure and final volume. Now I attempted to figure out the final pressure by adding 1 atm + 1.9738x atm figuring that the force/area of the spring plus the initial pressure would be the final pressure. Is it plus or is it minus? After that I tried the final volume as being 6 L + 0.01x. Again is that plus or minus? And then I plugged in those two terms into the equation and solved the quadratic to come out to the 43.15 cm which is between 10% and 100% off. I could use a little guidance on this one.

3. An expandable cylinder has its top connected to a spring with force constant 2.00 103 N/m. The cylinder is filled with 6.00 L of gas with the spring relaxed at a pressure of 1.00 atm and a temperature of 20.0°C.

(a) If the lid has a cross-sectional area of 0.0100 m2 and negligible mass, how high will the lid rise when the temperature is raised to T = 270°C? (In cm)

I answered 43.14 cm and it says:
Your answer differs from the correct answer by 10% to 100%.

(b) What is the pressure of the gas at 270°C? (In Pa)




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As for this one I've completed part a yet I can't seem to figure out part b. I tried to say that since the Toil-Tair=40N I could have the Buoyant force be 40N. Then I'd have 40N=density of oil*g*V. Now I figured that the volume would be the same as the 1*10^-4 cubic meters that I figured out as part of part a since that is the displaced volume. I figured that the density of oil would then be 40,816 kg/m^3 but it was orders of magnitude off. As for part a where I was correct I found that the Buoyant force is 330N-250N=80N. Then I found that the Volume of water=80N/(g*density of water) which comes out to 8.16*10^-3m^3. Once I had that I knew that the density of the object would be mass over volume of water displaced since that is equal to the volume of the object. So it comes to 33.7 kg/0.0082m^3=4125 kg/m^3 which is correct. I could use help on part b.

5. An object weighing 330 N in air is immersed in water after being tied to a string connected to a balance. The scale now reads 250 N. Immersed in oil, the object weighs 290 N.

(a) Find the density of the object. kg/m3

(b) Find the density of the oil. kg/m3

I entered 40,816 kg/m^3 and it said:
Your answer differs from the correct answer by orders of magnitude.


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Lastly I have 1 out of 3 on number 8 correct. Part a I am correct and the answer is 16.96 mm. I know that the ice cube has a mass of 0.0058 kg. I found that through multiplying the (density of ice*the volume of the ice cube)/(density of water*area of ice cube)=16.96 mm. Then for part b and c I am lost. I know that ethyl alcohol has a density of 0.806*10^3 kg/m^3. I know that I have to somehow apply archimedes principle to an object in two different layers. Any help would be appreciated.

8. A cube of ice whose edge is 18.5 mm is floating in a glass of ice-cold water with one of its faces parallel to the water surface.

(a) How far below the water surface is the bottom face of the block? 16.96 mm (correct)

(b) Ice-cold ethyl alcohol is gently poured onto the water surface to form a layer 5.00 mm thick above the water. When the ice cube attains hydrostatic equilibrium again, what will be the distance from the top of the water to the bottom face of the block? (mm)

(c) Additional cold ethyl alcohol is poured onto the water surface until the top surface of the alcohol coincides with the top surface of the ice cube (in hydrostatic equilibrium). How thick is the required layer of ethyl alcohol? (mm)
 
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I entered 0.15 mm for part b and 0.57 mm for part c and it says:Your answer differs from the correct answer by orders of magnitude.
 
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I understand your confusion and frustration with these problems. Let me provide some guidance and explanations to help you understand and solve these problems.

For number 3, you are correct in using the ideal gas law to solve for the final pressure and final volume. However, you need to use the initial pressure and initial volume to find the final pressure and final volume. In this case, the initial pressure is 1 atm and the initial volume is 6 L. Also, make sure to convert the temperatures to Kelvin before plugging them into the equation. The final pressure and final volume should be negative values, as the gas will contract as the temperature increases. Once you have the final pressure and final volume, you can solve for the height of the lid using the equation you mentioned.

For number 5, you are correct in using the buoyant force to find the density of the object. However, the volume of water displaced should be equal to the volume of the object, not the volume of the water. Also, the buoyant force in oil will be different from the buoyant force in water, so you cannot use the same equation to find the density of the oil. Instead, you need to use the fact that the object weighs 290 N in oil and 250 N in water to find the density of the oil. You can use the equation F = ρgV to solve for the density of the oil.

For number 8, for part b, you need to consider the buoyant force of the ice cube in both water and ethyl alcohol. The total buoyant force will be equal to the weight of the ice cube, so you can set up an equation with the densities of water, ice, and ethyl alcohol to solve for the distance. For part c, you can use the same approach, but set the total buoyant force equal to the weight of the ice cube plus the weight of the ethyl alcohol layer. This will give you an equation with the densities of water, ice, and ethyl alcohol to solve for the thickness of the ethyl alcohol layer.

I hope this helps to clarify and guide you in solving these problems. Remember to always use the correct equations and units, and to carefully consider all the forces and factors at play in each problem. Good luck!
 

1. What is an ideal gas and how is it different from a real gas?

An ideal gas is a hypothetical gas that follows the ideal gas law, which states that the pressure, volume, and temperature of a gas are directly proportional. Unlike real gases, ideal gases do not have intermolecular forces and occupy no volume. Real gases deviate from the ideal gas law at high pressures and low temperatures due to intermolecular interactions.

2. What are double-layered floating objects and how do they work?

Double-layered floating objects are objects that float on water due to the combination of two buoyant forces: one from the object's weight and the other from the displacement of air trapped between the two layers. The air trapped between the layers decreases the overall density of the object, allowing it to float.

3. How does immersion in oil affect the buoyancy of an object?

Immersion in oil affects the buoyancy of an object by changing the density of the fluid surrounding it. Oil is less dense than water, so when an object is immersed in oil, it displaces less fluid and experiences a decrease in buoyant force. This can cause the object to sink or float depending on its weight and density.

4. What factors affect the behavior of an ideal gas?

The behavior of an ideal gas is affected by three main factors: pressure, volume, and temperature. According to the ideal gas law, increasing the pressure or decreasing the volume of an ideal gas will cause an increase in temperature. Similarly, decreasing the pressure or increasing the volume will cause a decrease in temperature.

5. How can the ideal gas law be applied in real-world situations?

The ideal gas law can be applied in various real-world situations, such as calculating the volume of a gas in a container, determining the pressure of a gas in a closed system, and predicting the behavior of gases at different temperatures. It is commonly used in industries such as chemistry, engineering, and meteorology to understand and control the behavior of gases.

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