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What u think of feminism? Is it a complete ideology? Can it be a solution to the female problems (if there are)?
hope to have a cool discussion...
hope to have a cool discussion...
string_theory said:What u think of feminism? Is it a complete ideology? Can it be a solution to the female problems (if there are)?
hope to have a cool discussion...
\dekoi said:Feminists aim for equality.
Equality is absolutely absurd in human civilization.
Males and females are not equal. Dogs and cats are not equal. They are two absolutely distinct genders.
dekoi said:Cogito:
My argument is not absurd. A majority of feminists (or a large amount) aim for the equality which i mentioned.
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The equality you talk of, i fully agree with.
i do not think a statement such as this contains validity or relevance consideringdekoi said:Once again, i am telling you that the majority of feminists do not have such a clear view of what they mean by equality.
he wasn't wrong. if you consider the matter deontologically, for instance, the idea is that all men (humans) are equal not by virtue of what they can or can't do, but by virtue that all are men (human).False Prophet said:When Thomas Jefferson stated "All men are created equal" he was wrong.
that is a rather strange conclusion to draw considering a feminist is someone who fights against sexism - which is far more prevalent against women than against men. a similar argument was also extended against martin luther king who fought racism, yet was thought by some to want superiority for black people or against gandhi who because he fought british domination was thought to want indians to be superior to the british.False Prophet said:The title "feminist" kind of sounds arrogant to me like women who want to be superior to men. I know it's not their true agenda but it rhymes with prejudice and ends the same as sexist and racist
it is a nice idea for sure, but there seems to be a lot of work that still needs to be done, so we really do need feminists and as active as possible :DFalse Prophet said:At this point, in the United States anyway, it seems there should be be no reason to be an "activist feminist" because females can do pretty much anything now (except certain military jobs) and so should pursue their dreams and become president of the U.S.A.
i don't think the essence of feminism is too concerned with holding doors, as much as just opening them. however, if it is a concern to you then you can always ask someone to hold the door open for you just to even things outFalse Prophet said:And if a girl wants to snub me and shoot me a dirty look for politely holding open the door
1984 George OrwellFor example "All mans are equal" was a possible Newspeak sentence, but only in the same sense in which "All man have the same weight" is a possible Oldspeak sentence. It did not contain a grammatical error, but it expressed a palpable untruth i.e. that all man have the same size, weight ...
string_theory said:feminism is the most stupid thing women did...
unfortunately, there seems to be no mechanism for automatically ignoring string_theory's ignorant remark (but then this sort of thing shouldn't be ignored). personally, i think a statement such as his "feminism is the most stupid thing women did..." falls under wild and speculative theories and as such probably should be subjected to the same fate on physicsforums :DKerrie said:what a blatantly ignorant remark
jimmy p said:Just something to make you think. In England, it seems that any woman who believes in women's rights and girl power is a feminist. Any male that believes in male rights is a sexist male chauvanistic pig. c'est la vie.
I agree with the idea of feminism in the equality sense. However it seems more and more like a battle of the sexes with the emphasis of girl power. How many adverts do you see on tv with a man and a woman, and at the end of it, the woman gets the to make the last comment/the man looks stupid. It seems a lot like this is the way society is going. It may all be fun and games at the start and no-one takes it seriously, but think about it in 100 years or so...
Someone mentioned that chivalry makes them sick. Surely that is within reason, I mean it is ok for "ladies first", because some may be offended if you barge your way in front. But other things such as chucking you coat over a puddle or pulling their chair out for them... hmmm... that is lame. So I agree within reason, I suppose there is chivalry and courtesy.
cogito said:\
Actually, it is your argument that is absurd. You are assuming that when feminists (and others) assert that all persons are equal, they are claiming that all persons are the same, or have the same capacities.
dekoi said:Feminists aim for equality (in general).
Fliption said:I do understand the point being made in this quote above and by a few others about what the word equality really means. It isn't referring to capabilities or "sameness". It is referring to a moral right for respect and opportunity. Unfortunately, I think that Dekoi has a point in his usage of the word. Rather than claim that people are misusing the word, it seems to me the problem comes when we actually try to apply the word "equal" to a specific situation. Too many times it seems that when we try to apply the rule of equality to a specific situation it automatically comes down to an issue of capabilities and differences. The 'women in the military' issue is an example. There is no moral reason why a women cannot fight for her country and I've never heard anyone claim otherwise. The opponents of this issue fight it for reasons of "capabilty". To dekoi's point, I have seen some people think that a moral right implies that "women can do anything a man can do" in terms of capabilities. To deny the physical differences and competencies for the sake of a moral right is a bit "absurd", to use the popular word here.
How much money would you spend giving your cat the same opportunity to chase a stick as your dog? Perhaps a cat movement will correct your biased ways.
cogito said:Nobody is denying that, statistically speaking, there are disparities between the physical capabilities of men and women. So, your concern over usage seems a bit misplaced, especially when feminists themselve use the term 'equal' in the normative rather than the descriptive sense. Nobody is denying that there will be jobs that suit men better than women (heavy lifting, for instance). The vast majority of jobs out there, however, don't generally favor one sex or another. Yet, it is still the case that in the United States, women receive roughly 3/4 the pay of a man for doing the same job. I'm sure we all agree that such disparities in pay are unjust. I'm sure we all agree that agitating for equal pay for equal work is justified.
Does this mean that the state should force equal pay for the same work? If so, how is this decided and by whom? Should there be affirmative action for women?cogito said:Nobody is denying that, statistically speaking, there are disparities between the physical capabilities of men and women. So, your concern over usage seems a bit misplaced, especially when feminists themselve use the term 'equal' in the normative rather than the descriptive sense. Nobody is denying that there will be jobs that suit men better than women (heavy lifting, for instance). The vast majority of jobs out there, however, don't generally favor one sex or another. Yet, it is still the case that in the United States, women receive roughly 3/4 the pay of a man for doing the same job. I'm sure we all agree that such disparities in pay are unjust. I'm sure we all agree that agitating for equal pay for equal work is justified.
In fact women and men in this study actually earned exactly the same amount until they reached their early 30s when women as a group began to lose ground to the men. Why? Almost certainly different patterns in child rearing. Women tend to take time off and look for less demanding jobs after having children, while men do not, on average.
Study after study finds that women with children work fewer hours, accumulate less experience, and take more extended leaves from the workplace -- all of which limit their advancement. While sometimes a necessity, these are often choices gladly made by women who consider being with their children more important than maximizing earnings.
Philocrat said:"All People are Equal" is the correct way to put it and this is consistent with the Universalist moral principle or code of conduct. It's about time, more than well-overdue, for women to come out of that depressive and oppressive 'fictional world' invented by men for thousands of years. It's a disgrace that in the 21st century women are still being degraded and treated as the underdogs. That women must become equal with men and with every other groups is in itself a natural law. It must come to pass. However, femininism must never be construed as an Ideology designed to segregate and undermine inter-relationships and peaceful co-existence. Femininism must serve only as a fundamental vehicle for freedom and equilibrium!
Think Nature! May the 'Book of Nature' serve you well and bring you all that is good!
Kerrie said:jimmy, you have posted a great post and a good example to a few of those attempting to post here
i certainly agree that society today is praising the whole "girl power" attitude. i see some of the cartoons on and the attitude of "girls kick a**" is loud and clear for my little girl to see. although i want her to be independent and strong, i certainly don't want her to grow up believing she is of a superior gender either.
male chauvenism certainly still exists. i work with many farmers and maintenance managers in my field, and i would say 1 out 5 of the men have that "good ol' boy" attitude towards me, and they are skeptical about my mechanical abilities. it is so much fun however when i am able to ramble off the problems with their machinery due to a very simple change of their parts (the parts my company makes) because i have a firm grasp of my knowledge. that usually wins their trust and their business back
Feminism is a social and political movement that advocates for gender equality and the rights and empowerment of women. It challenges traditional gender roles and stereotypes and seeks to eliminate discrimination and oppression based on gender.
Feminism addresses female problems by advocating for equal rights and opportunities for women. It seeks to address issues such as the gender pay gap, reproductive rights, and violence against women. By promoting gender equality, feminism aims to create a more equitable and just society for women.
No, feminism is not only for women. While the movement focuses on issues affecting women, it also advocates for equality and empowerment for all genders. Feminism recognizes that gender inequality affects everyone and encourages people of all genders to support and participate in the movement.
No, feminism does not promote the superiority of women over men. Rather, it seeks to create a society where all genders are treated equally and have the same rights and opportunities. Feminism is not about reversing the power dynamics, but about achieving balance and equality.
No, feminism alone cannot solve all female problems. While it is an important movement for promoting gender equality, there are many other factors that contribute to the issues faced by women. These issues also require solutions from other fields such as politics, economics, and social justice. However, feminism is a crucial aspect in addressing and advocating for the rights and empowerment of women.