Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's confession

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In summary, Mr. Mohammed has confessed to planning many terrorist attacks, including 9/11, Bali, Kenya, the shoe-bomber plus Heathrow, Canary Wharf, Big Ben!, Isreal and the Panama canal plus the Pope and Clinton. Although the confession may be valid, it is still only a minor role and may not be enough to convict him.
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I heard he admitted to the Guy Fawkes stunt too - but they thought no-one would believe that...

He's admitted to planning 9/11, Bali, Kenya, the shoe-bomber plus... Heathrow, Canary Wharf, Big Ben!, Isreal and the Panama canal plus... the Pope and Clinton.

The first question which comes to my mind is how seriously such admission can be taken when the confession comes out of a place like Guan. Bay.

I heard on BBC Radio 4 this morning about previous use of water torture - can someone who's been subjected to any form of long-term stress make a valid confession?

bbc link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6452573.stm
 
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Torture a guy for years, and he will confess to anything you want. He might even give a true confession, on occasion.
 
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What terrifies me is how simple water torture is to perform. If you are feeling particularly sadistic, you can perform it. That is disturbing to know.

I don't think these are too confessions, but if so, he must have had only the more minor of minor roles in them. Terrorists often work in networks, he may have been one of the tiny cells.
 
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"Mr Mohammed, we apologize but we cannot accept your confession. In fact, since you have previously denied having anything to do with these charges, we are going to take you on your word prior to any alleged torture. So we are going to let you go. Be good now, you hear!"

I dunno, folks. If someone says they did it, and his circumstances are plausible, we can't just say, "no you didn't you big silly", and let him walk.
 
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He didn't confess under interrogation in prison (the torture allegations are just speculation), he confessed at a court hearing. I'm inclined to believe him.
 
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russ_watters said:
He didn't confess under interrogation in prison (the torture allegations are just speculation), he confessed at a court hearing. I'm inclined to believe him.
The bbc has made a list: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6452789.stm

That's some serious planning!
 
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Most of those probably never did get out of the planning stage.
 
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Well, that's quite a career he had going there. Let's be real careful not infringe on any of his human rights.
 
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That torture is now an okie-dokie thing to do to non-U.S. citizens, I expect that any and every "confession" released, even in court, will be heavily scrutinized and widely dismissed by the world jury.

Even I won't give it much weight.
 
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Yeah, let's let him go. He didn't mean it. We told him to say that stuff.
 
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Reality matters, but the perception of justice matters almost as much.

This is one of the big problems with 'aggressive' interrogation procedures. The confessions had better not be the only thing we have to convict him with. They're virtually worthless as far as public perception goes regardless of whether he was personally subjected to torture or not.
 
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drankin said:
"Mr Mohammed, we apologize but we cannot accept your confession. In fact, since you have previously denied having anything to do with these charges, we are going to take you on your word prior to any alleged torture. So we are going to let you go. Be good now, you hear!"

I dunno, folks. If someone says they did it, and his circumstances are plausible, we can't just say, "no you didn't you big silly", and let him walk.

convicting him of crimes based on evidence is one thing, convicting him based on a confession after 4 years of what was previously considered to be torture until it came into wide spread, systematic use by the usa is not justice, its not reasonable and its not believable. if the cia has gathered evidence to suggest he was part of these plots then that's fine and that's acceptable to bring someone to trial over. if you want people to think the usa's "justice" as applied to everyone else in the world is anything but a farce for partisan political gain, then you have another thing coming.

i don't think this confession is convincing to anyone outside the usa.
 
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Since there does not exist any solid, INDEPENDENT evidence of his guilt, his confession is utterly irrelevant.

And no, the charges of the US government against him might well have about the same substance as the US charges against Iraq for having weapons of mass destruction.

The present credibility of the US government is void, zero and nil, and Americans just have to come to terms with that FACT.
 
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arildno said:
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The present credibility of the US government is void, zero and nil, and Americans just have to come to terms with that FACT.
I thought we already did. Well, I speak for myself, anyways.
 
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russ_watters said:
He didn't confess under interrogation in prison (the torture allegations are just speculation), he confessed at a court hearing. I'm inclined to believe him.

This is just naive!
Lots of witches confessed "freely", under the APPREHENSION of torture and experience of PRIVATION, not during the torture session itself.
In any case, in the Middle Ages, one always took care that the accused should re-CONFIRM her confession, if it had been made first during torture.

Are you inclined to believe them as well?
 
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This just in:

The sheikh just admitted to shaving Britney's head.
 
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cromagnum said:
This just in:

The sheikh just admitted to shaving Britney's head.

AHA! I knew it!
 
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arildno said:
The present credibility of the US government is void, zero and nil, and Americans just have to come to terms with that FACT.

That's right. And many Americans now feel the same way.
 
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any idiot exxept bush knows that confessions under torture are worthless. I challenge anyone on this forum to bet 50,000 bucks on not saying anything during two weeks of torture. Idiotic concept.
 
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The real problem is that credibility is a matter of perception. Even if the confession is completely valid, who besides Bush supporters would believe it now?
 
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anyone who watched 1950's movies?
 
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I believe Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's confession is about as believable as the confessions of the British sailors being held by the Iranians that they were in Iranian waters when taken prisoner. i.e. not very. And they hadn't been held for years undergoing 'stress' interrogation techniques when they 'confessed'.

If the Iranians do 'question' the sailors using Rumsfeld et al's approved methods and use confessions gained to prosecute them for espionage or the like I wonder will the US and UK consider this acceptable or will they denounce it as torture. An interesting conundrum for them and highlights the dangers in setting such precedents.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
The real problem is that credibility is a matter of perception. Even if the confession is completely valid, who besides Bush supporters would believe it now?

Agreed. He might well be guilty, but his confession is still worthless.
 
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Shouldn't have taken him prisoner in the first place. If you know what I mean.
 

1. Who is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is a Pakistani-American terrorist and the alleged mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks in the United States. He is also believed to have been involved in numerous other terrorist plots around the world.

2. When did Khalid Sheikh Mohammed confess to his involvement in the 9/11 attacks?

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed initially confessed to his involvement in the 9/11 attacks in March 2007 to a military tribunal at Guantanamo Bay. However, it is important to note that this confession was obtained after he had been subjected to waterboarding and other forms of torture.

3. Is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's confession considered reliable?

There is much debate about the reliability of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's confession. Some argue that it was obtained through torture and therefore may not be entirely accurate. Others argue that he may have exaggerated his involvement in order to seem more powerful and important in the eyes of his captors.

4. What evidence supports Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's confession?

Aside from his confession, there is limited physical evidence connecting Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to the 9/11 attacks. However, there is also evidence from other sources such as intelligence reports and testimonies from other alleged terrorists that suggest his involvement.

5. Has Khalid Sheikh Mohammed been convicted for his involvement in the 9/11 attacks?

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has not yet been convicted for his involvement in the 9/11 attacks. He is currently being held at Guantanamo Bay and his trial has been delayed multiple times due to legal challenges and controversy surrounding his interrogation and confession.

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