Another question on Schrodinger Equation

In summary, the conversation discusses a claim that the Schrodinger equation does not provide a rational basis for spin, the Pauli Exclusion Principle, or Hund's Rule. However, it is argued that the symmetrization postulate and the Galilei group can be used to derive the Schrodinger equation, and the Hund's rules can be derived from solving the Schrodinger equation for all atoms. It is also noted that the correct spelling of Schrodinger is with an umlaut. Therefore, the claim is deemed incorrect.
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Rade
I have read the following claim (where is not important):

...the Schrodinger equation provides no rational basis for the phenomenon of spin, the Pauli Exclusion Principle, or Hund's Rule...


Is such a claim true ? If so, what does it matter ?
 
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The symmetrization postulate is a postulate just like the SE (when the axioms are presented in the Schrödinger picture),
so no interference, they are completely independent. The spin comes from the Galilei group;
well, from the Galilei group one can derive the SE using the
theorem of Wigner and Bargmann. The Hund's rules can be derived if one was able to fully solve the SE for an arbitrary
atom, hence for all atoms of the elements in the PT.

Oh, and it's Schrödinger or Schroedinger (in the unfortunate case you can't put the Umlaut), not Schrodinger.

So that claim is wrong.
 
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I would say that the claim is not entirely true. The Schrodinger equation is a fundamental equation in quantum mechanics that describes the behavior of particles at the atomic and subatomic level. It provides a mathematical framework for understanding the behavior of particles, including their spin.

While it is true that the Schrodinger equation itself does not explicitly mention spin, the concept of spin is incorporated into the equation through the use of spin operators. These operators allow for the prediction of spin states and the calculation of spin-related properties.

Furthermore, the Schrodinger equation is the foundation for the development of other important principles in quantum mechanics, such as the Pauli Exclusion Principle and Hund's Rule. These principles are derived from the Schrodinger equation and provide a rational basis for understanding the behavior of particles with spin.

In summary, while the Schrodinger equation may not explicitly mention spin, it is still a crucial tool in understanding the phenomenon of spin and its related principles. So, it does matter as it provides a fundamental framework for understanding the behavior of particles at the quantum level.
 

1. What is the Schrodinger Equation?

The Schrodinger Equation is a mathematical equation that describes how quantum particles, such as electrons, behave over time. It was developed by Austrian physicist Erwin Schrodinger in 1926 and is a fundamental concept in quantum mechanics.

2. How is the Schrodinger Equation used in science?

The Schrodinger Equation is used to predict the behavior and properties of quantum particles, such as their position, momentum, and energy. It is also used in many areas of physics, including quantum chemistry, solid state physics, and nuclear physics.

3. What is the significance of the Schrodinger Equation?

The Schrodinger Equation is significant because it provides a way to mathematically describe the behavior of quantum particles, which cannot be fully explained by classical physics. It also forms the basis for many important theories and principles in quantum mechanics, such as wave-particle duality and quantum superposition.

4. Can the Schrodinger Equation be solved exactly?

In most cases, the Schrodinger Equation cannot be solved exactly. However, there are some simple systems, such as the hydrogen atom, for which exact solutions can be found. In most cases, approximations and numerical methods are used to solve the equation.

5. How does the Schrodinger Equation relate to the uncertainty principle?

The Schrodinger Equation is closely related to the uncertainty principle, which states that it is impossible to know both the position and momentum of a quantum particle with absolute precision. This is because the Schrodinger Equation describes the wave-like behavior of particles, in which their exact position and momentum cannot be simultaneously determined.

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