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Terrorism does not stop with osama bin laden.He is one of those who has sowed the seeds for extreme ideology.So while this is a moral or whatever else type of victory someone may say, the ideology is pretty much alive.
Some people engage in devil worship too - what is your point? Has anyone else done anything comparable? There's a big difference between thinking and doing.thorium1010 said:Terrorism does not stop with osama bin laden.He is one of those who has sowed the seeds for extreme ideology.So while this is a moral or whatever else type of victory someone may say, the ideology is pretty much alive.
WhoWee said:He's dead - "courtesy of the red, white and blue" - enjoy it.
Evo said:And this headline from Reuters.
Mideast reax to Bin Laden death
Seriously, do they have school children type these things?
WhoWee said:Some people engage in devil worship too - what is your point? Has anyone else done anything comparable? There's a big difference between thinking and doing.
thorium1010 said:you are joking right ? Given time any terrorist would match what osama has done unless kept in check. Thinking is one thing but motivation for doing it comes from you know from where .
qspeechc said:I haven't read this entire thread so maybe someone has asked this already, but, they said they confirmed with DNA testing that it was Osama, so what DNA did they compare it too? They already had Osama's DNA? That's odd.
Yeah, and I'm 100% sure he got a fair trial before the death sentence was imposed.DaveC426913 said:This is not really a murky issue; it's pretty black and white.
Re: my bold, I don't think that we should be gullible enough to assume that. Bin Laden was VERY wealthy, and quite able to buy off enough politicians and military officers to ensure himself safe haven. We may learn more of the back-story in days and weeks to come, but don't expect to see anything made public that would embarrass Pakistan's leadership.qspeechc said:Ok that explains a lot (I don't know much about these things). Another thing I find strange is that this compound was so close to the Pakistani military training ground or whatever it was, and they didn't have a clue! It was something like 1km away, now that is astounding.
AlephZero said:Yeah, and I'm 100% sure he got a fair trial before the death sentence was imposed.
AlephZero said:Yeah, and I'm 100% sure he got a fair trial before the death sentence was imposed
Ivan Seeking said:No matter. Many people will spin this negatively regardless of the facts. In the end, this will only serve to further discredit the extreme right.
Of course, to ID Bin Laden in this way, they would have to have some Bin Laden DNA lying around to compare it to. I don't know if they had some from some inside source, or not. What they do have is brain tissue from Bin Laden's sister, who died in the US. They can compare his genetic signature to hers and determine if they are related — which is as close as you can get to guaranteeing it's Bin Laden without a sample of his actual DNA from prior to his death.
KingNothing said:I'm guessing Mr. Trump will need to see a long-form death certificate?
Ivan Seeking said:I'm not sure if they wanted him dead or alive, but he almost certainly would have been more valuable in terms of information, if taken alive.
Ivan Seeking said:In the end, this will only serve to further discredit the extreme right. Most Americans are thrilled that we got this menace. No amount of complaining will change that fact.
qspeechc said:Ok that explains a lot (I don't know much about these things). Another thing I find strange is that this compound was so close to the Pakistani military training ground or whatever it was, and they didn't have a clue! It was something like 1km away, now that is astounding.
Newai said:There was a military official on the news that said he wasn't a valuable information source. I'll see if I can find a clip that might explain their position.
Mech_Engineer said:Who in the "extreme right" is complaining he didn't receive due process?
WhoWee said:Are you referring to the waterboarding of KSM?
Seriously? Maybe you need a primer in law then. An accused must first allow himself to be arrested. Do you suppose OBL and all his friends dropped their guns and put up their hands?AlephZero said:Yeah, and I'm 100% sure he got a fair trial before the death sentence was imposed.
Ivan Seeking said:Have you visited any right-wing forums lately?
JesseC said:How are the US military going to justify invading any more middle eastern countries now? :O
Ivan Seeking said:Yeah, that's why they were ripping out hard drives before leaving the compound.
Ivan Seeking said:I have no idea how you jumped to that. I was talking about getting Osama.
But it is interesting that where Bush failed after 7 years, Obama got him in 2; without the use of torture.
turbo-1 said:Re: my bold, I don't think that we should be gullible enough to assume that. Bin Laden was VERY wealthy, and quite able to buy off enough politicians and military officers to ensure himself safe haven. We may learn more of the back-story in days and weeks to come, but don't expect to see anything made public that would embarrass Pakistan's leadership.
Ivan Seeking said:In the end, this will only serve to further discredit the extreme right. Most Americans are thrilled that we got this menace.
WhoWee said:I'll try to find a link - heard a report that intel gathered from KSM and verifed in 2007 provided the courier.
Ivan Seeking said:Yeah, that's why they were ripping out hard drives before leaving the compound.
Newai said:bin laden. He was described as not a valuable source of information, particularly in terms of actually providing it and being in charge of developing programs himself.
Osama Bin Laden was a Saudi Arabian terrorist and the founder of the militant group Al-Qaeda. He was responsible for orchestrating numerous terrorist attacks, including the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center in New York City.
Osama Bin Laden was killed by a team of US Navy SEALs in a covert operation in Abbottabad, Pakistan on May 2, 2011. The operation, code-named Operation Neptune Spear, was authorized by then-President Barack Obama.
Osama Bin Laden was killed in Pakistan because he had been hiding in a compound in Abbottabad, a city in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province. The US had been tracking him for years and finally located him in this compound, leading to the decision to carry out the operation in Pakistan.
The death of Osama Bin Laden was a major victory for the US and its allies in the fight against terrorism. It dealt a significant blow to Al-Qaeda and served as a message to other terrorist groups that their actions would not go unpunished.
After he was killed, Osama Bin Laden's body was buried at sea in accordance with Islamic tradition. The US government stated that they did not want to create a physical memorial for Bin Laden that could potentially become a site of pilgrimage for extremists.