Understanding Particle Energies in Ohanian's Book: A Potential Problem Explored

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In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of separating particle energies into kinetic and rest mass energies. It is noted that for bound systems, the total mass is less than the sum of the particle rest masses due to the negative term in the parenthesis. The conversation also mentions the concept of mass deficit and binding energy, which only appears when the binding energy has been removed from the system. Finally, it is stated that including the four-momentum of the binding energy resolves the issue with the energy momentum four vector.
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I saw today in Ohanian's book:
"It is convenient to separate particle energies into kinetic and rest mass energies:
M=∑m +(∑T/c^2 +U/c^2)
The term in the paranthesis is negative for a bound system,hence the total mass is less than the sum of the particle rest masses"
I thought the rest masses were indeed less.If it is otherwise, there's a problem with the Energy momentum four vector
 
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vin300 said:
I saw today in Ohanian's book:
"It is convenient to separate particle energies into kinetic and rest mass energies:
M=?m +(?T/c^2 +U/c^2)
The term in the paranthesis is negative for a bound system,hence the total mass is less than the sum of the particle rest masses"
This is correct. The "missing" mass is called the "mass deficit" and that mass/c^2 is called the "binding energy". Note, the mass deficit only appears when the binding energy has been removed from the system, usually either through radiation or through doing work on another system.
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I thought the rest masses were indeed less.If it is otherwise, there's a problem with the Energy momentum four vector
The problem goes away if you include the four-momentum of the binding energy which left the system.
 
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You are correct in your understanding that the rest masses of particles are indeed less than the total mass of a bound system. This is known as mass defect and is a fundamental concept in nuclear physics. It arises from the release of energy during the formation of a bound system, such as a nucleus. This energy is released in the form of binding energy, which contributes to the negative term in the equation you mentioned.

The concept of mass defect is crucial for understanding the stability and energy balance of atomic nuclei. It also plays a significant role in nuclear reactions and the production of energy in nuclear power plants.

As for the energy-momentum four vector, it is a mathematical representation of the energy and momentum of a particle in special relativity. The negative term in the equation you mentioned represents the energy contribution to the total mass, while the positive term (Σm) represents the rest masses of the particles. Thus, there is no problem with the energy-momentum four vector, as it accurately reflects the energy and mass relationship of bound systems.

Overall, understanding the separation of particle energies into kinetic and rest mass energies is crucial for understanding the behavior of particles in bound systems. It also highlights the intricate balance between energy and mass in the universe.
 

1. What is the main concept behind Ohanian's book about particle energies?

The main concept of Ohanian's book is to explore a potential problem in understanding particle energies and to provide a comprehensive explanation of the underlying principles and theories.

2. How does Ohanian explain the relationship between energy and particles?

Ohanian explains that energy is a fundamental property of particles and is closely related to their motion and interactions. He also discusses how energy can be transferred between particles through various mechanisms such as collisions and radiation.

3. What are some potential problems in understanding particle energies?

Some potential problems in understanding particle energies include the complexities of quantum mechanics, the limitations of classical physics in describing particle behavior, and the difficulty in accurately measuring and quantifying particle energies.

4. What are the key takeaways from Ohanian's book?

The key takeaways from Ohanian's book include a deeper understanding of the relationship between energy and particles, a comprehensive overview of the theories and principles governing particle energies, and a critical examination of potential problems and limitations in our current understanding.

5. Who would benefit from reading Ohanian's book on understanding particle energies?

This book would benefit anyone interested in physics, particularly those studying particle physics or energy-related fields. It may also be useful for researchers and scientists looking to expand their knowledge and understanding of particle energies.

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