Deriving equation for ideal fluid flow problem (~bernoulli equation)

In summary, the conversation discusses a problem involving fluid flow and Bernoulli's equation, with the individual explaining their attempt at a solution and asking for feedback. The feedback provided commends the understanding and organization of the work, but suggests being more specific with assumptions and variables. Additionally, it mentions the potential relationship between pressure and energy/power output in a physical system.
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Could anyone offer some feedback?
I'm reasonably sure I got the gist of it, but I'm not sure how neat a solution it is (i.e. nothing relevant missing, or irrelevancies included). It's a past paper question so I haven't tried to tidy it up.

Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Hydrostatics/ideal fluid flow stuff.


The Attempt at a Solution


Derived Bernoulli's equation for arbitrary tube of flow then subbed in appropriate variables.

The simplified diagram (I drew an equivalent sketch by hand):

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What I wrote:

This is a/the flow tube (not representative of cross section or elevation, includes the reservoir itself) representing the above system.

Assumptions:
Flow is steady streamline (large reservoir, so little change in pressure over short time);
Fluid is inviscid and incompressible.

Other premises (?):
From the assumption of steady flow -> Pressure in the flow tube is constant for any particular position therein (i.e. Pressure = P(s) for some position s in the flow tube).

The cross section of the flow tube is similarly only a function of position (it doesn't change as a result of pressure etc), so cross sectional area = A(s).
P(s) >= 0 and A(s) >= 0 for all s.

y1 is the height of the reservoir water;
y2 is the turbine height (=yt);
so y1-y2 = h.
v1,v2 are the velocity of the fluid elements at positions 1 and 2 respectively.

The fluid element moves from position 1 to position 2. The arrows inside the tube represent the internal pressure acting on either "side" of the fluid element producing a force on either side, which will cause some net work (Wd) to be done.

If the force on the left is FL(s) = PL(s)AL(s) and the right is FR(s) = PR(s)AR(s), then

Wd = integral a to c [PL(s)AL(s)] ds - integral b to d [PR(s)AR(s)] ds

= integral a to b [PL(s)AL(s)] ds + integral b to c [PL(s)AL(s)] ds - integral b to c [PR(s)AR(s)] ds - integral c to d [PR(s)AR(s)] ds

If s1 = s2 = s then PL(s1) = PR(s2) = P(s) [is something like this too trivial to mention, or better safe than sorry esp. for an exam question that will be ~ similar?]

=integral a to b [P(s)A(s)] ds - integral c to d [P(s)A(s)] ds

More assumptions:
The fluid element is small enough such that the pressure difference across it is ~= 0Pa.

So approximately:
P(a) = P(b) = P1; P(c) = P(d) = P2

Therefore Wd = P1 integral a to b A(s)ds - P2 integral c to d A(s) ds
= P1V1 - P2V2

Since the fluid is incompressible, V1 = V2 = V.

So Wd = (P1-P2)V
Density of fluid = D = mass of fluid element / volume of fluid element = m / V; V = m/D
Wd = (P1-P2)m/D
= [tex]\Delta[/tex]Pe + [tex]\Delta[/tex]Ke
= mg(y2-y1) + 1/2 m(v22 - v12)

(P1-P2) = Dg(y2-y1) + 1/2 D(v22 - v12)

P1 + Dgy1 + 1/2Dv12 = P2 + Dgy2 + 1/2Dv22

So, having Bernoulli's equation, rearranging for v22 :

P1-P2 + Dg(y1-y2) + 1/2Dv12 = 1/2Dv22

The pressures are the gauge pressures, so P1 = 0Bar.
y1-y2 = h, and v1 ~= 0ms-1

Therefore, an expression for the fluid flow velocity at the entrance to the turbine is:

v22 = -2P2/D + 2g(h)

The next part of the question is a numeric calculation which gives a value for h and gauge pressure P2 - along with the front matter's values for g and density of water. I reckon I've got the +/- signs alright because v2 increases as h increases, which is expected, and decreases as the back-pressure, P2, increases, also expected. Any feedback would be most appreciated.

In the numeric part of the question, the gauge pressure P2 at the turbines is given as 0.5bar - in a physical system would this pressure above atmospheric be associated with (or at least contributed to by) the resistance of the turbine and connected equipment? If so, would there be a situation where there is maximum energy generated per unit of fluid passing (or transferred from the fluid to the turbine and/or generating equipment ~efficiency?) and also a peak power output (not necessarily under the same conditions as peak energy efficiency)?
 
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Feedback:This looks great. You have a good understanding of the problem and clearly explained your work. It is also neat and organized. The only thing that could be improved is to be more precise when mentioning assumptions, premises, and variables (like making sure to state which variable is associated with the position s in the flow tube). For the last part of the question, yes, the pressure above atmospheric will be associated with the resistance of the turbine and other equipment connected to it. There could be a situation where there is maximum energy generated per unit of fluid passing and peak power output, but this would depend on the specific conditions of the system and the design of the turbine and equipment.
 

1. What is the Bernoulli equation?

The Bernoulli equation is a fundamental equation in fluid dynamics that relates the pressure, velocity, and elevation of a fluid in a steady flow. It is based on the principle of conservation of energy and is commonly used to analyze ideal fluid flow problems.

2. How is the Bernoulli equation derived?

The Bernoulli equation can be derived from the principles of conservation of mass, momentum, and energy. It involves simplifying assumptions such as steady flow, incompressible fluid, and negligible viscous effects. The derivation involves applying the principles to a control volume in the fluid flow and manipulating the equations to eliminate variables and solve for the Bernoulli equation.

3. What are the assumptions made in deriving the Bernoulli equation?

The assumptions made in deriving the Bernoulli equation include steady flow (no change in velocity or pressure over time), incompressible fluid (constant density), negligible viscous effects (no friction), and conservation of energy (no external work or heat transfer). These assumptions allow for a simplified analysis of ideal fluid flow problems.

4. What are the applications of the Bernoulli equation?

The Bernoulli equation has many practical applications in engineering and physics, including analyzing fluid flow in pipes, nozzles, and wings. It is also used in calculating lift and drag forces in aerodynamics and designing hydraulic systems such as pumps and turbines.

5. Are there any limitations to the Bernoulli equation?

The Bernoulli equation is based on several simplifying assumptions and is only applicable to ideal fluid flow problems. In real-world situations, there are often other factors such as turbulence, compressibility, and non-ideal fluid behavior that may affect the accuracy of the equation. It is important to carefully consider the limitations of the Bernoulli equation when applying it to practical problems.

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