Algebra Problem, solving by rearranging

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So the answer is 3?In summary, after using the sum of cubes formula and simplifying the equation, we can see that the value of x^2 + y^2 is equal to 1. However, after further analysis using a substitution, we can see that the answer is actually 3.
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Homework Statement


Let x and y be real numbers with x+y=1 and (x2 + y2)(x3 + y3) = 12. What is the value of x2 + y2 ?


Homework Equations


Sum of Cubes: (a3 + b3) = (a+b)(a2-ab+b2)


The Attempt at a Solution


I plugged in the sum of cubes to the equation that equals 12 to get:
(x2 + y2)(x+y)(x2-xy+y2) = 12
and since (x+y) = 1,
(x2 + y2)(x2-xy+y2) = 12
and therefore,
(x2 + y2)(x2-xy+y2) = (x2 + y2)(x3 + y3)
cancellation:
(x+y)(x2-xy+y2) = (x3 + y3) = 12

then I plugged (x3 + y3) for 12 to the original equation:
(x2 + y2)(x3 + y3) = (x3 + y3)
and that means that (x2 + y2) = 1, right?
 
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The answer key that I just found said that the answer is 3...
Where did I go wrong?
 
  • #3
PotentialE said:

Homework Statement


Let x and y be real numbers with x+y=1 and (x2 + y2)(x3 + y3) = 12. What is the value of x2 + y2 ?


Homework Equations


Sum of Cubes: (a3 + b3) = (a+b)(a2-ab+b2)


The Attempt at a Solution


I plugged in the sum of cubes to the equation that equals 12 to get:
(x2 + y2)(x+y)(x2-xy+y2) = 12
and since (x+y) = 1,
(x2 + y2)(x2-xy+y2) = 12
and therefore,
(x2 + y2)(x2-xy+y2) = (x2 + y2)(x3 + y3)
cancellation:
(x+y)(x2-xy+y2) = (x3 + y3) = 12
How did you arrive at the above line ?
then I plugged (x3 + y3) for 12 to the original equation:
(x2 + y2)(x3 + y3) = (x3 + y3)
and that means that (x2 + y2) = 1, right?
 
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SammyS said:
How did you arrive at the above line ?

A typo, my bad,
what I meant was:

and therefore,
(x2 + y2)(x+y)(x2-xy+y2) = (x2 + y2)(x3 + y3)
cancellations:
(x2 + y2)(x2-xy+y2) = (x2 + y2)(x3 + y3) = 12
(x2-xy+y2) = (x3 + y3)

I plugged in the sum of cubes to the equation that equals 12 to get:
(x2 + y2)(x+y)(x2-xy+y2) = 12
and since (x+y) = 1,
(x2 + y2)(x2-xy+y2) = 12
and therefore,
(x2 + y2)(x2-xy+y2) = (x2 + y2)(x3 + y3)
cancellation:
(x2-xy+y2) = (x3 + y3)

Now I realize that the last part is wrong, but where do I go from here?
 
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How did you get from

(x2 + y2)(x2-xy+y2) = 12
to
(x2 + y2)(x+y)(x2-xy+y2) = (x2 + y2)(x3 + y3) ?

I'm not saying it's wrong, I just don't follow it.

Anyway, after several pages of algebra, I also arrived at x2+y2=1
Are you sure you're looking at the right answer?

[itex]x=1±\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} , 1±\frac{\sqrt{5}i}{\sqrt{3}}[/itex]

edit: I plugged it into the original equation and it doesn't work, so I must have made a mistake somewhere. Odd that we both got the same answer..
 
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PotentialE said:

Homework Statement


Let x and y be real numbers with x+y=1 and (x2 + y2)(x3 + y3) = 12. What is the value of x2 + y2 ?


Homework Equations


Sum of Cubes: (a3 + b3) = (a+b)(a2-ab+b2)


The Attempt at a Solution


I plugged in the sum of cubes to the equation that equals 12 to get:
(x2 + y2)(x+y)(x2-xy+y2) = 12
and since (x+y) = 1,
(x2 + y2)(x2-xy+y2) = 12
and therefore,
(x2 + y2)(x2-xy+y2) = (x2 + y2)(x3 + y3)
cancellation:
(x+y)(x2-xy+y2) = (x3 + y3) = 12

then I plugged (x3 + y3) for 12 to the original equation:
(x2 + y2)(x3 + y3) = (x3 + y3)
and that means that (x2 + y2) = 1, right?
Let
[tex] A = x^2 + y^2[/tex]

[tex](x^2 + y^2)(x^3 + y^3) = 12[/tex]
[tex]A(x+y) (x^2-x y+y^2)=12[/tex]
[tex]A(A-x y)=12[/tex]
[tex]x+y = 1 \rightarrow (x+y)^2 = 1 \rightarrow x^2+y^2+2xy = 1 \rightarrow xy = \frac{1-x^2-y^2}{2}=\frac{1-A}{2}[/tex]
[tex]A(A-\frac{1-A}{2})=12[/tex]
[tex]A(\frac{3}{2}A-\frac{1}{2})=12[/tex]
[tex]3A^2-A-24=0[/tex]
You get two answers, but one is negative. We know the answer must be positive. The answer is 3.
 
  • #7
This is an olympiad type question, you need to play with it. Start with x = 1-y, then get formulas for (x^2 + y^2) and (x^3 + y^3). Look to make a substitution.
 
  • #8
You get two answers, but one is negative. We know the answer must be positive. The answer is 3.

thanks for your help! that makes perfect sense
 

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Rearranging in an algebra problem allows us to manipulate the given equations or expressions in order to isolate the unknown variable and solve for its value.

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