Thiemann's New Theory: Solving Problem of Time in GR & Cosmology

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In summary: He is challenging people to think about what kind of physical observables might be possible if this field were to exist. He goes on to say that this field would allow us to solve the cosmological coincidence problem (which is the problem of finding a way to explain the fact that the universe appears to be expanding even though we know that it should have been collapsing in on itself in the past). He also makes the claim that this could be done without introducing any new kind of particle or energy. Overall, it sounds like he's proposing a new way of thinking about time and space that could help us solve some of the biggest problems in
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Marcus points us to this new paper:

http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0607380
Solving the Problem of Time in General Relativity and Cosmology with Phantoms and k -- Essence
Thomas Thiemann

He introduces a negative energy scalar field, which he calls phantom because it is unobservable, in order to solve the problem of time in GR. He issues this challenge to common wisdom:

All textbooks on classical GR incorrectly describe the Friedmann equations as physical evolution equations rather than what they really are, namely gauge transformation equations. The true evolution equations acquire possibly observable modifications to the gauge transformation equations whose magnitude depends on the physical clock that one uses to deparametrise the gauge transformation equations.

Any comments?
 
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selfAdjoint said:
Any comments?

I printed it out and am having a look. In the "links thread" I didn't give the abstract summary of the paper, but if we are going to discuss it , I may as well copy that in

"We show that if the Lagrangean for a scalar field coupled to General Relativity only contains derivatives, then it is possible to completely deparametrise the theory. This means that
1.Physical observables, i.e. functions which Poisson commute with the spatial diffeomorphism and Hamiltonian constraints of General Relativity, can be easily constructed.
2. The physical time evolution of those observables is generated by a natural physical Hamiltonian which is (constrained to be) positive.

The mechanism by which this works is due to Brown and Kuchar. In order that the physical Hamiltonian is close to the Hamiltonian of the standard model and the one used in cosmology, the required Lagrangean must be that of a Dirac -- Born -- Infeld type. Such matter has been independently introduced previously by cosmologists in the context of k -- essence due to Armendariz-Picon, Mukhanov and Steinhardt in order to solve the cosmological coincidence (dark energy) problem. We arrive at it by totally unrelated physical considerations originating from quantum gravity. Our manifestly gauge invariant approach leads to important modifications of the interpretation and the the analytical appearance of the standard FRW equations of classical cosmology in the late universe. In particular, our concrete model implies that the universe should recollapse at late times on purely classical grounds."
 
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the first thing I hope someone will correct or confirm for me is this: it looks to me as if in the context of purely classical cosmology where for generations people have been using the FRW model (the Friedmann equation)
there is a little problem in this classical context simply because the TIME PARAMETER t that one finds in the solution to the Friedmann model is only formally a time parameter. It is not something that could be measured by a clock.

To me it has always looked like a very good time parameter and it is what cosmologists conventionally use to clock the evolution and age of the universe.

but when one scrutinizes it, the classical time parameter in the Friedmann model has only a kind of "honorary" or fiducial existence---it is more adopted for the sake of convenience-----as a parameter to keep track of developments----than as something forced on us by nature.

acknowledging this, if in fact it is true, goes against habit and is damnably awkward. perhaps someone will explain that it is not true, which would be a relief.

in any case this appears to be an awkwardness in the classical picture that carries over into Quantum Gravity. Or perhaps is only really problematical in canonical QG. there is a hamiltonian constraint, with which kosher observables commute, and no time observable commutes and can therefore be kosher.

Thiemann grapples with this by actually concocting an ERSATZ CLOCK in the form of a peculiar scalar field----quite an elusive one, I gather.
 
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Particularly interesting to me are his comments about dark energy and dark matter (since this has immediate practical consequence in cosmology):

Thiemann said:
Notice by the equation of state the phantom behaves
like dust at small scales ρphantom → −E/O3 a and as a negative cosmological constant ρphantom → −α at large scales. This can be easily compensated by additional positive energy k – essence matter or simply by ordinary (dark?) matter plus an additional cosmological constant term  − α > 0. In a sense, if we want to explain the observational fact that the FRW equations describe the universe while their mathematical derivation violates the principles of gauge theory, then something like a phantom is needed for deparametrisation and in turn it requires something like k – essence for reasons of total positive matter energy budget. From this point of view, both a phantom and k – essence are a prediction of the mathematical formalism (gauge theory) together with observation
(FRW cosmology).

It sounds to me like he's saying that he has not solved the dark matter or dark energy problems, but rather given us another potential reason to need to solve them. He has introduced another dark component (the phantom) and said that, in order for this "phantom" to exist and for GR to work, we must have two other "dark" things (dark matter and dark energy). Interestingly, he makes this sound like a strength of the theory. I suppose it is better than adding a phantom that doesn't require dark matter and dark energy.

Also, it's not clear to me that he has given a need for dark matter, just a need for enough matter to balance the early-time contribution of the phantom. That the matter is dark would seem to remain a mystery in this theory.

There might be one positive thing, however. I didn't read the paper in a lot of detail, so perhaps it was discussed, but it seems like this could solve the fine-tuning problem. If the phantom scalar field had negative energy density, then the vacuum could have a positive energy density larger than the observed net energy density of the cosmological constant. In other words, a Planck scale cutoff for QFTs would then be possible.
 
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In particular, our concrete model implies that the universe should recollapse at late times on purely classical grounds.
IMHO this claim is unsupported. In the paper he concedes that the big-rip solution is a possible one and he discards it because it is "clearly undesirable" due to the infinite scale factor. I cannot follow this.

By the way, the paper is very difficult. It would be great if someone could explain the meaning of this fourth "main message":

the usual interpretation of the cosmological framework, although fundamentally wrong because gauge transformations of gauge dependent objects are interpreted as actual physical evolution equations of observables, remains valid when analysed in the correct way, that is, by computing the physical evolution of gauge invariant observables
 

1. What is Thiemann's New Theory?

Thiemann's New Theory is a framework developed by physicist Thomas Thiemann that aims to solve the problem of time in General Relativity (GR) and cosmology. It proposes a new mathematical formalism that allows for a more precise and consistent understanding of the dynamics of the universe.

2. What is the problem of time in GR and cosmology?

The problem of time refers to the difficulty in reconciling the concepts of time in quantum mechanics and GR. In GR, time is treated as a parameter and not a dynamical variable, while in quantum mechanics, time is a fundamental variable that evolves with the system. This inconsistency has been a major obstacle in developing a unified theory of quantum gravity.

3. How does Thiemann's New Theory solve the problem of time?

Thiemann's New Theory proposes a new mathematical framework that incorporates elements of both GR and quantum mechanics. It introduces a new concept called "evolution parameter" that allows for the consistent treatment of time as both a parameter and a dynamical variable. This approach has been successful in addressing the problem of time and has implications for our understanding of the dynamics of the universe.

4. What are the implications of Thiemann's New Theory?

The implications of Thiemann's New Theory span across various fields of physics, including cosmology, quantum mechanics, and quantum gravity. It provides a more precise understanding of the dynamics of the universe and has the potential to bridge the gap between GR and quantum mechanics. It also has implications for our understanding of the nature of time and the fundamental laws of physics.

5. Has Thiemann's New Theory been tested experimentally?

Thiemann's New Theory is a relatively new framework and has not yet been directly tested experimentally. However, it has been extensively studied and tested through mathematical and computational simulations, which have shown promising results. Further experimental testing and verification are needed to fully validate the theory.

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