How to Prove the Commutator Relation for Quantum Spin Operators?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the use of orthonormality to prove the commutator relation [S_i,S_j]= i \varepsilon_{ijk}S_k, where S_x, S_y, and S_z are defined in terms of |+\rangle and |-\rangle. It is pointed out that S_x and S_y do not commute, and a typo in the calculation is corrected. The conversation ends with a request for further assistance on a new topic.
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Homework Statement



Using the orthonormality of [itex]|+\rangle[/itex] and [itex]|-\rangle[/itex], prove

[itex][S_i,S_j]= i \varepsilon_{ijk}S_k[/itex]

where
[itex]S_x = \frac{\hbar}{2}|+\rangle \langle - | + | - \rangle \langle + |[/itex]
[itex]S_y = -\frac{i\hbar}{2}|+\rangle \langle - | + | - \rangle \langle + |[/itex]
[itex]S_z = \frac{\hbar}{2}|+\rangle \langle + | - | - \rangle \langle - |[/itex]


The Attempt at a Solution



Since S_x and S_y commute, their commutator should be zero which contradicts [itex][S_x,S_y]= i S_z[/itex]. What am I missing here?
 
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S_x and S_y does not commute, check again.

If you are unsure, please write the procedure you did to get that S_x and S_y commutes.
 
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Umm, is this not right?

[itex][S_x,S_y] = \frac{\hbar}{2}|+\rangle \langle - | + | - \rangle \langle + |\left(-\frac{i\hbar}{2}|+\rangle \langle - | + | - \rangle \langle + | \right)

-\left(-\frac{i\hbar}{2}|+\rangle \langle - | + | - \rangle \langle + | \right)\frac{\hbar}{2}|+\rangle \langle - | + | - \rangle \langle + | = 0[/itex]?
 
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Is this a typo or what?
 
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jdstokes said:
Is this a typo or what?

Must be; the way it's written,

[tex]S_y = -iS_x.[/tex]
 
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jdstokes You must use paranthesis more carefully!

According to my copy of Sakurai:

[itex]S_y = \frac{i\hbar}{2}(-|+\rangle \langle - | + | - \rangle \langle + |)[/itex]
 
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OMG why do I miss these obvious things!

Thanks for your patience malawi_glenn and George.
 
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If you guys have a spare moment, would you please have a look at my new post in the quantum physics forum?
 

1. What is the main topic of Sakurai Chapter 1 Question 8?

The main topic of Sakurai Chapter 1 Question 8 is quantum mechanics, specifically the concept of angular momentum and its operators.

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