Calculating Bolt Selection for Butt Joint Connections

In summary, the conversation discusses the selection of bolts for a butt joint connection and the equations used to determine if the bolt will rigidly hold the two parts together. The participants also mention the use of a plate cover and the possibility of welding instead of using bolts. They also discuss the strength of bolts and the force they can handle, as well as the effect of different materials and wall thickness on the joint.
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I am trying to select a bolt for a butt joint connection. When you guys do bolt selection, are there certain equations you use to determine if the bolt will rigidly hold the 2 parts together in the joint?
 
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How can you use bolts for a but joint? I think we need a better description of your particular situation.

There needs to be a plate cover over the butted plates at the joint. The bolts clamp the cover to the butted plates so friction between the cover and plates will help hold it together. That way the shank of the bolt is under tension, so not in it's weaker shear condition. For less investment in fasteners and work, that can do more holding. These days, as for the last 60 years, it is highly probable that a butt joint would be welded not bolted.

There are manufacturers data tables on the strength of bolts and there are many older engineering books that analyse the size, number and distribution of fasteners, such as bolts or rivets, in many different situations.
 
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This is an image of something we'd like to do http://www.ripsdiy.co.za/graphics/woodbutjoin.jpg, except the screws you see in the pic will be bolts. In the bottom piece in the image, there will be a blind threaded hole. The top piece is just a through hole, no threads. So we want to clamp the 2 pieces together using a bolt.

Right now, we do not want a permanent connection, so we didn't want to weld it.


I have also attached another view of what I intend to do. Basically we're making a box. The 4 sides of the box are bolted together. The 2 holes you see are the bolt holes. Inside the box, there will a pressure of 100psi. We want the bolts to fasten the plates rigidly. I am just not sure what kind of analysis we need to do to determine if our bolt can handle this. The 100psi will induce a shear and axial load on the bolt
 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolted_joint
Google bolt strength and see what you get...

The internal pressure of 100 psi will push the sides and the ends of the box apart. There will be a similar, if not greater force on the base of the box.

The force on the end of the box will be the end area in square inches multiplied by the internal 100 psi. The four bolts shown will have to handle that tensile force. Each will carry one quarter of the total.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensile_strength

The force on the side of the box will be the side area in square inches multiplied by the internal 100 psi. The four bolts shown will have to handle that shear force, each must carry one quarter of the total.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shear_strength

Since the shear strength of a steel bolt is usually taken as 58% of the tensile strength, the box may be strongest if you put the bolts into the ends from the longer sides. But that will depend on the base and the lid attachment.
 
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Baluncore said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolted_joint
Google bolt strength and see what you get...

The internal pressure of 100 psi will push the sides and the ends of the box apart. There will be a similar, if not greater force on the base of the box.

The force on the end of the box will be the end area in square inches multiplied by the internal 100 psi. The four bolts shown will have to handle that tensile force. Each will carry one quarter of the total.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensile_strength

The force on the side of the box will be the side area in square inches multiplied by the internal 100 psi. The four bolts shown will have to handle that shear force, each must carry one quarter of the total.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shear_strength

Since the shear strength of a steel bolt is usually taken as 58% of the tensile strength, the box may be strongest if you put the bolts into the ends from the longer sides. But that will depend on the base and the lid attachment.
Thanks for the reply. That is very much like what I tried. Say the side area and end area are 1 in^2. That means the shear and tensile force are 100lb. Assuming 4 bolts means each bolt should handle 1/4*100=25lb.

Say I use a 4-40 Grade 2 (http://www.derose.net/steve/resources/engtables/bolts.html). The specs on this site say the proof load is 55ksi and the stress area is 0.006in^2. So the proof load in lbs is 330lb, which is >>> 25lb. So that means the bolt will easily handle that tensile load.
The shear is just 0.58*330, which is still >>>25lb. Which means the bolt scan also easily handle the shear force. So a 4-40 bolt should handle the 100psi quite well. Is that the right idea?One thing that concerns me is the thickness of the plate with the blind threaded hole is not present in any of these calculations. Shouldn't that have some effect on how rigid the connection of this joint will be?
 
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You can reduce the size of the bolts specified, as that will minimise machining and bolt cost.

If steel bolts are used in steel then once you have screwed them in two bolt diameters you should be secure. There is absolutely no advantage in going beyond 4 bolt diameters.

But, if the box is made from a material that yields at a lower point than the bolts, you will need to change the design to use a bigger bolt so as not to pull the thread out of the box. Knowing the ratio of yield strength of box material to the yield strength of bolt material, you can select an oversize bolt that will hold in the box material. You might also consider using a deeper threaded hole.

The bolts only hold the corners together. If box wall thickness is too thin it will buckle. There are guidelines as to how far a bolt must be from an edge. They are usually prescribed in the standards.
 
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This can be answered both in theory and practice.

It might appear in theory there would be no force transferred through the bolt. Instead the axial force is entirely transferred through the end of the two butted plates. Yes, but the plates are prone to buckling. So the cover plate can be sized to resist the buckling of the butted plates. Thus, the bolts can be sized to transfer the buckling force to the cover plate.

In practice, the structural steel code will give direction on the minimum quantity of bolts required.

A classic example of bolted butt connection is the splicing of building columns.
 
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pyroknife said:
Thanks for the reply. That is very much like what I tried. Say the side area and end area are 1 in^2.
Ouch. Be careful what you are using for areas in your calculations. It is the surface area of the end and side pieces that determines the load on the bolts, not the end cross section areas. If your box is say square with 10 inch long side and end pieces each 5 inches high, your area to use is 50 in^2 not 1 in^2.
 

1. What is a butt joint?

A butt joint is a type of joint used to connect two pieces of material together in a straight edge-to-edge configuration. It is commonly used in woodworking and metalworking.

2. Why is bolt design important for butt joints?

Bolt design is important for butt joints because it determines the strength and stability of the joint. The right bolt design can ensure that the joint can withstand the expected load and prevent failure or separation of the two pieces of material.

3. What factors should be considered when designing bolts for butt joints?

When designing bolts for butt joints, factors such as the material and thickness of the pieces being joined, the expected load or stress on the joint, and the environment in which the joint will be used should be taken into account. It is also important to consider the type of bolt, such as a standard bolt or a specialized bolt like a lag bolt or carriage bolt.

4. How do you determine the appropriate bolt size for a butt joint?

The appropriate bolt size for a butt joint can be determined by considering the thickness of the material being joined and the expected load on the joint. Generally, a larger bolt diameter and higher grade (strength) bolt will be needed for thicker materials and heavier loads. It is also important to consider the spacing of the bolts and the number of bolts used in the joint.

5. What are some common mistakes to avoid when designing bolts for butt joints?

Some common mistakes to avoid when designing bolts for butt joints include using bolts that are too small or weak for the expected load, not using enough bolts to evenly distribute the load, and not properly tightening the bolts. It is also important to consider the materials being joined and to use appropriate bolts for the specific type of joint being created.

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