Photon in time versus photon not so much-ish in time

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of a photon experiencing reality and its dual nature as both a null, or completely unextended, aspect and an energy/momentum transmitter within spacetime. The question is raised about how this dual aspect works and the answer is that it depends on the definiteness of its energy. Whether a photon has a very narrow energy or is "white", it travels at the speed of light and does not experience time. The concept of null proper time is also mentioned, as well as an example of two circularly polarized photons traveling through space.
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Okay, second question I have to ask, again, hopefully not stupid. First, I've been perusing the forums and see the common question asked again and again, what's it like for a photon "experiencing" reality, and I totally agree or understand the standard answers: the math breaks down, we don't/can't know, the frame is invalid, but an electron moving at .99c would see such and such. The proper time for a photon is null and it travels through no space to arrive at its destination. So it has this null, or completely unextended, aspect. But within spacetime it's an energy/momentum transmitter, and acts as a carrier wave for information. Maybe this is a meaningless question, or perhaps my characterization is inaccurate, but does anybody have a good explanation for how this dual aspect works?

Again, thanks for any help.

C.
 
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It's a good questin. Part of the thinking about it should be "how long is a photon"? The answer is that it depends on the definiteness of it's energy. Most of us think a photon has a definite specific exact energy h*f. But this is only true for a photon that is extremely long in space. By the uncertainty relation it's possible to emit a photon over a very short period of time so that there is great uncertainty about it's energy. It's a "white photon". This white photon would have a very short spatial extent.

Back to your question, whether a photon has a very narrow energy or whether it is "white", it travels at c and doesn't experience time. To a photon there is no difference between traveling a millimeter or traveling 10 billion light years. You are right about null proper time but it has extent and that extent is embedded within a travel distance. Two circularly polarized photons of 300 MHz are sent into space. One hits the moon and twisted 402 million times. The other is still going and will twist uncounted times before it hits something distant but no proper time elapsed for either. It's difficult to imagine how this looks in the photons frame.
 

What is meant by "photon in time versus photon not so much-ish in time"?

The phrase "photon in time versus photon not so much-ish in time" refers to the concept of a photon's behavior in relation to the passage of time. Specifically, it refers to whether a photon's behavior is affected by time or not.

What is the difference between a photon in time and a photon not so much-ish in time?

The difference between a photon in time and a photon not so much-ish in time lies in their behavior. A photon in time is affected by the passage of time, while a photon not so much-ish in time is not affected by time.

How does time affect the behavior of a photon?

Time affects the behavior of a photon by slowing it down. As time passes, the photon's speed decreases, which can lead to changes in its behavior.

Are there any other factors besides time that can affect a photon's behavior?

Yes, there are other factors that can affect a photon's behavior, such as the medium it is traveling through, the presence of gravitational fields, and interactions with other particles.

What implications does the concept of "photon in time versus photon not so much-ish in time" have in scientific research?

The concept of "photon in time versus photon not so much-ish in time" has implications in various fields of scientific research, such as optics, quantum mechanics, and cosmology. Understanding the behavior of photons in relation to time can help scientists make more accurate predictions and interpretations in their experiments and observations.

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