How do you integrate and differentiate a function with steps and impulses?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of operating x, which refers to operating the two cases on the right side of an equation. The example given is \int x\;dx = \left\{\begin{matrix} \int y\;dx \;\;\; case\;A\\ \int z\;dx \;\;\; case\;B\\ \end{matrix}\right., and it is confirmed to be correct. However, there is some confusion regarding the use of x as a representative symbol, as it is used in multiple places in the equation. The conversation also touches on the incorrectness of using this technique to integrate and differentiate a function with steps and impulses.
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Given
[tex]x = \left\{\begin{matrix} y \;\;\; case\;A\\ z \;\;\; case\;B\\ \end{matrix}\right.[/tex]
So, operate x means to operate the 2 cases of right side? For example:
[tex]\int x\;dx = \left\{\begin{matrix} \int y\;dx \;\;\; case\;A\\ \int z\;dx \;\;\; case\;B\\ \end{matrix}\right.[/tex]
Correct?
 
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Sure.
 
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I don't known that it's operable. It's cool, will be very important to me in engineering!
 
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Could you give a concrete example?
 
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Jhenrique said:
Given
[tex]x = \left\{\begin{matrix} y \;\;\; case\;A\\ z \;\;\; case\;B\\ \end{matrix}\right.[/tex]
So, operate x means to operate the 2 cases of right side? For example:
[tex]\int x\;dx = \left\{\begin{matrix} \int y\;dx \;\;\; case\;A\\ \int z\;dx \;\;\; case\;B\\ \end{matrix}\right.[/tex]
Correct?
Are you intending for the ##x## in your ##\mathrm{d}x## to be different?
 
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x, y and z are only a representative symbol...
 
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Jhenrique said:
x, y and z are only a representative symbol...

The problem is that you're using x in two different places, and it's not clear whether or not you intend them to mean the same thing.
 
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Jhenrique said:
Given
[tex]x = \left\{\begin{matrix} y \;\;\; case\;A\\ z \;\;\; case\;B\\ \end{matrix}\right.[/tex]
So, operate x means to operate the 2 cases of right side? For example:
[tex]\int x\;dx = \left\{\begin{matrix} \int y\;dx \;\;\; case\;A\\ \int z\;dx \;\;\; case\;B\\ \end{matrix}\right.[/tex]
Correct?


[tex]x = \left\{\begin{matrix} y \;\;\; case\;A\\ z \;\;\; case\;B\\ \end{matrix}\right.[/tex]

[tex]\int x\;dx = \left\{\begin{matrix} \int y\;dy \;\;\; case\;A\\ \int z\;dz\;\;\; case\;B\\ \end{matrix}\right.[/tex]

Is this what you mean?
 
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[tex]x = \left\{\begin{matrix} y \;\;\; case\;A\\ z \;\;\; case\;B\\ \end{matrix}\right.[/tex]

[tex]\int x\;dx = \left\{\begin{matrix} \int y\;dy \;\;\; case\;A\\ \int z\;dz\;\;\; case\;B\\ \end{matrix}\right.[/tex]

Is this what you mean?
Jhenrique said:
operate x means to operate the 2 cases of right side?

I'm trying find... I think that it's math isn't correct, because:
[tex]H(x) = \left\{\begin{matrix} 0\;\;\; x<0\\ 1\;\;\; x=0\\ 1\;\;\; x>0\\ \end{matrix}\right.[/tex]
[tex]\frac{\mathrm{d} }{\mathrm{d} x}H(x) = \left\{\begin{matrix} \frac{\mathrm{d} }{\mathrm{d} x}0\;\;\; x<0\\ \frac{\mathrm{d} }{\mathrm{d} x}1\;\;\; x=0\\ \frac{\mathrm{d} }{\mathrm{d} x}1\;\;\; x>0\\ \end{matrix}\right. = \left\{\begin{matrix} 0\;\;\; x<0\\ 0\;\;\; x=0\\ 0\;\;\; x>0\\ \end{matrix}\right.[/tex]

is wrong, 'cause contradicts the identity d/dx H(x) = δ(x). So, this "technic" above is not useful, although it seems make sense, theoretically... In other words, I'm trying know how do to integrate and derivative, graphically and algebraically, a function with steps and impulses.
 

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