GR with Riemannian ( ) metric?

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In summary, GR with Riemannian metric does not require pseudo-Riemannian metric, as neither the Einstein field equations nor the Einstein-Hilbert action require it. However, it is possible to have a solution to GR where the metric switches from Riemannian to pseudo-Riemannian on the manifold, similar to the joined black hole and white hole in the Kruskal metric. This has been explored in various papers and there are some difficulties in applying Einstein's formulation of GR to handle such degeneracies. The Ashtekar formulation may be more suitable for this type of scenario.
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GR with Riemannian (++++) metric?

Neither the Einstein field equations nor the Einstein-Hilbert action requires pseudo-remannian metrc. Is there anything interesting about GR with Riemannian metric? Are there still black holes?

Also, is it possible to find a solution to GR in which the metric is Riemannian in half of the manifold and pseudo-Riemannian in the other half? Joined up like how a black hole and a white hole are joined in Kruskal metric?
 
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Thanks! It'll take me some time to look at the papers.
 
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If a metric is going to switch over from one signature to another, it's going to be degenerate on the boundary. Einstein's formulation of GR has problems when the metric is degenerate. You can't raise and lower indices, etc. The Ashtekar formulation of GR can handle degeneracies. There are some interesting remarks on this in Rovelli, "Ashtekar formulation of general relativity and loop-space non-perturbative quantum gravity: a report." Apparently there is some non-uniqueness in the extension of Einstein's GR to formulations that allow degeneracies.
 
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I've written a discussion of this: http://www.lightandmatter.com/html_books/genrel/ch06/ch06.html#Section6.4
 
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1. What is the Riemannian metric in GR?

The Riemannian metric is a fundamental concept in General Relativity (GR) that describes the curvature of spacetime. It is a mathematical representation of the relationship between space and time, and how they are affected by the presence of massive objects.

2. How is the Riemannian metric used in GR?

The Riemannian metric is used to calculate the distance between two points in spacetime, known as the line element. This distance is not a straight line, but rather a curved path due to the curvature of spacetime caused by massive objects. The Riemannian metric is also used to derive the equations of motion for massive objects in a curved spacetime.

3. What is the difference between the Riemannian metric and the Minkowski metric?

The Riemannian metric is used in GR to describe the curvature of spacetime, while the Minkowski metric is used in special relativity to describe the flat, uncurved spacetime. The Riemannian metric includes additional terms that account for the curvature of spacetime due to the presence of massive objects, while the Minkowski metric does not.

4. How does the Riemannian metric affect the behavior of light in GR?

In GR, the Riemannian metric affects the behavior of light by causing it to follow a curved path when passing near a massive object. This is known as gravitational lensing and is a direct result of the curvature of spacetime described by the Riemannian metric.

5. Can the Riemannian metric be applied to all objects in the universe?

Yes, the Riemannian metric can be applied to all objects in the universe, regardless of their size or mass. However, it is most commonly used in GR to describe the behavior of massive objects, such as planets, stars, and galaxies. For very small objects, such as particles, other mathematical models are used to describe their behavior in spacetime.

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