# Help choosing a convertible ultrabook / slate

by Ben Niehoff
Tags: choosing, convertible, slate, ultrabook
 Admin P: 9,686 Hybrids are tough. Companies aren't putting many good options out there. It seems MS is pushing their Surface tablet as a hybrid by advertising the keyboard. Lenovo has the Tablet 2 that has a keyboard too. Both are rated well.
 Sci Advisor P: 1,594 A friend has the Thinkpad Tablet 2 and let me play with it for a few minutes. The device itself is alright, but I noticed he had brought a laptop with him as well. I get the same impression: that the Tablet 2 can't actually replace a laptop, so it doesn't really solve the weight issue. Also, the keyboard available for the Tablet 2 works by Bluetooth, which means it saps power rather than providing it (I think it makes sense for a separate keyboard to have a second battery in it). The Microsoft Surface Pro is tempting, but looking at pictures where it's attached to the keyboard, it doesn't look like it's possible to sit the thing in your lap. The Surface itself has to lean back onto a "stand" in order to stand up. The Helix is really starting to look more attractive...
 Sci Advisor P: 1,594 Help choosing a convertible ultrabook / slate Well, I think I've decided to eliminate the Sony Vaio due to a weird design issue. When the screen is sitting up in "laptop mode", the bottom edge slides forward to cover the top third of the base. This leaves very little room for the keyboard and trackpad; the trackpad is squeezed into a tiny, unusable shape. Still trying to figure out whether I want the Helix. It's especially frustrating to read reviews about it, because reviewers don't seem to understand what it's for. Part of the reason is that the word "tablet" has been co-opted by the Android and iPad crowd to mean "cheap, touch-sensitive entertainment device". Reviewers see the Helix as some sort of compromise device and balk at the $1600 price tag. And yes, if all I wanted was a machine to read PDFs, watch movies, and play Angry Birds, that would be absurd. But reviewers don't understand the purpose of the pen, and definitely don't understand the difference between "active digitizer" and "capacitive touch-sensitivity" (and the extra$800 that goes along with that distinction). Nearly every review I've read treats the pen as a more accurate way to click things on the screen, since the 1920x1080 resolution makes some of the menus tiny. No one seems to consider that you can actually write with an active digitizer, at a natural size and speed (and of course you can also make professional-quality digital art). Of course, I don't think most people need to write on their computer, so they see it as some kind of novelty. The Thinkpad Tablet 2 is still somewhat attractive as a note-taking device, but its Atom processor is underpowered doing things like Mathematica. However, for the price of the Helix, I could get a Thinkpad Tablet 2 and a Macbook Air, so that might actually make more sense (although I loathe the idea of being mistaken for a Mac fanboy).
 Sci Advisor P: 1,594 I have seen unsubstantiated rumors that the Helix might be updated with Haswell in October or November. So I'll wait and see. That's around when I wanted to buy anyway. Several things on the Lenovo site are on sale right now, so that could indicate that new things are conning soon.
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 Quote by Ben Niehoff I have seen unsubstantiated rumors that the Helix might be updated with Haswell in October or November. So I'll wait and see. That's around when I wanted to buy anyway. Several things on the Lenovo site are on sale right now, so that could indicate that new things are conning soon.
Good call, but then come Nov they will announce a new product that is coming out in Feb :D
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 Quote by Greg Bernhardt Good call, but then come Nov they will announce a new product that is coming out in Feb :D
Well of course. And then those things promised in Feb won't actually show up till June (i.e., what happened with the Helix when it was introduced, apparently). :D
 Sci Advisor P: 1,594 Looks like the Microsoft Surface Pro 2 was just announced, to be available in late October. The only option is an Intel i5, although it is a 4th-gen Haswell so its battery life should be longer. (Although, Microsoft has cleverly avoided stating what the expected battery life actually is...). http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/...urface2pr.aspx
 Sci Advisor P: 1,594 I can't find any real information on the Surface Pro 2 yet. All the reviewers are just parroting Microsoft's press release. Nobody has actually got their hands on one yet (and they won't actually ship until late October). I am most curious about its real-world battery life. The original Surface Pro has terrible battery life (i.e. less than 3 hours). MS is claiming a "75% increase", but they offer no real numbers. By contrast, they are openly claiming that the Surface 2 (an ARM device running Windows RT, not a real computer) runs for 10 hours. But they've claimed no specific time for the Surface Pro 2. If the battery life is at least 5 hours, I'm tempted, since that matches the battery life of the tablet portion of the Thinkpad Helix. MS will also be offering a keyboard that contains a secondary battery. So it's possible that the combined Surface + keyboard could match the Helix in battery life. I'll wait until there's some real data. MS also will offer a docking station that looks pretty cool. I have a KVM set up on my desk to switch between my desktop machine and my laptop; having a docking station would make it really convenient to use the Surface. There is a Microsoft Store not too far from here. I think I will go there tomorrow and check out the form factor of the original Surface Pro. The new Surface Pro 2 is the same dimensions. One concern I have about the Surface (vs. the Helix) is that it looks impossible to sit it in your lap and type like on a traditional laptop. The tablet features are convenient for doing handwritten work, but one does occasionally have to type.
 Sci Advisor P: 1,594 Well, I dunno if anyone is still reading this (Greg?). The Century City Mall has both a Sony Store and a Micosoft Store (and of course an Apple Store, but that's not really relevant here). So, I tested out both the Vaio Duo 13 and the Surface Pro 2, focusing on the areas I'm concerned about. The Vaio Duo 13 was better constructed than I expected, I was almost tempted by it. But it uses an N-Trig digitizer rather than Wacom, and the first thing I noticed was how horribly laggy it was. It was not possible to write at a natural speed and size. My 9-year-old Fujitsu T-4010 is more useable, and my 5-year-old Fujitsu T-5010 blows the Vaio Duo 13 out of the water in terms of actually writing on the screen. Using smooth strokes, such as painting (which the salesman encouraged me to try) was just fine. But trying to actually write and do math was frustrating. After that I went to the Microsoft Store to check out the Surface Pro 2. First I checked out its stylus, which was snappy and responsive. I tried out the Type Cover (i.e. the physical keyboard) and it was acceptable (knowing, of course, that this is a compromise device). Most importantly, I tried sitting in a chair and propping the Surface up on my lap, to type like on a traditional laptop (while I mostly need a tablet for writing on, I do occasionally need a traditional laptop style workflow). It was actually OK to use this way! Much more stable than you would guess at first glance. I decided to pre-order a Surface Pro 2.

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