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Ok question, it seems to me that now a days people are not interested in science. In my high school just hate science and math and I don't understand why, so my question is why are people hating on math and science :(?
Feynman said:It's Interesting that some people find science so easy and others find it kind of dull and difficult
especially kids; you know, some of them are just heated up, and I don't know why it is. It's the same for all... (**)
For instance some people love music and I could never carry a tune. I lose a great deal a pleasure out of that
and I think that people lose a lot of pleasure who find the science dull.
In the case of science, I think that one of the things that make it difficult is that it takes a lot of imagination.
It's very hard to imagine all the crazy things that things really are like.
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...whether the steam evaporates until you cover the cover, and all these things you can understand from this simple picture.
And that's a kind of lot of fun to think. I don't want to take this stuff seriously;I think we should just have fun imagining it, not worry about. There is no teaching when you are asking a question at the end, otherwise it's a horrible subject.
WannabeNewton said:People have different interests and they can choose to have a lack of interest in whatever they want. Do you have a precocious interest in literature, art, music, and/or journalism? Don't judge other people for their lack of interest in something you deem important.
WannabeNewton said:A lot of people have more important problems in their lives than worrying about why they're here.
AdrianHudson said:To add to this. I understand being on a physics forum my view on the world is obviously biased towards an opinion or a general idea, but this generation is lazy, people end up not trying and after they graduate they end up in jobs they hate where they work a crappy job just because they didn't apply themselves. I couldn't care less about what people do and what interests them. I mean I probably realize that it came off as people who don't do science or math as their career is not applying themselves yada yada yada, but as the conversation evolves I want you to know my opinion might not have came off a right way haha.
There is ample evidence that young people today are hard-working and productive. The share of college students working full time generally grew from 1985 onward — until the Great Recession knocked many millennials out of the labor force, according to the Labor Department.
Between 1989 and 2006, the share of teenagers who were volunteering doubled, to 26.4 percent from 13.4 percent, according to a report by the Corporation for National and Community Service. And the share of incoming college freshmen who say they plan to volunteer is at a record high of 32.1 percent, too, U.C.L.A.’s annual incoming freshman survey found.
DrDu said:Same here in Germany.
In former times there were much more people doing experiments at home, were programming or doing electronic circuitery.
Today if you buy some ml of hydrogen peroxide, you already risk an anti terrorism squad taking your house.
I see a general tendency in western societies to narrow science as science done by professional research organizations like universities. This goes in hand with restricting the freedom of science and education.
Even teachers at high schools can't do any more many of the experiments I was shown or doing in class as a pupil.
I think this ultimately started with the Manhattan project when science was beginning to be seen both as a potential threat and as only achievable in large projects.
Subsequently, department structures were implemented also at most universities in Europe and organizations like CERN or the NASA were created.
SteamKing said:DrDu makes an important point. The exposure to science for kids now is much different than it was for kids who grew up thirty or forty years ago. For one thing, there are more distractions with electronics besides television: there are computer games, phones, social media, all sorts of stuff which was science fiction back then or not even heard of. Nowadays, kids take all this stuff for granted and don't realize that most of it did not exist as few as twenty years ago. When was the last time you stumbled across a chemistry set which you could take home and do experiments without getting a permit from the EPA? When was the last time you saw an erector set which had steel parts with all kinds of sharp edges and enough teeny-tiny screws and nuts to choke an entire pre-school? A lot of kids today follow time schedules as rigid as those for any adult who is working and there is not a lot of spare time in the schedule for goofing around with stuff.
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AdrianHudson said:Do you think that the limiting of this home science makes it not worth it and thus makes people not follow their curious side of science ?
SteamKing said:I think that those kids who have an insatiable curiosity about things will do just fine. The kids who are just plugging along, following their kid careers, may not find or get the chance to do something out of the ordinary, which might set them onto a different path in life.
AdrianHudson said:Do you think that science and math get a bad rep for being subjects where you have to memorize ?
WannabeNewton said:Not that I know of. If anything, subjects like biology have the bad rep with regards to memorization.
Caveat said:Imagine living in a world where everyone loved science, where everyone was an atheist - where culture, religion and social constructs died at the shores of the incoming technological tsunami, where we placed efficiency ontop of a pedestal as our god and disposed of those silly, useless, time-wasting arts that deal with fantasy (Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter etc) and nonsense
In an efficient and perfect world, people die of boredom
phinds said:In the USA, depending on what study you read, somewhere between 40% and 60% of the population believes in ghosts, aliens, and angels. The vast majority of people will never use anything but the most rudimentary science and math and have no interest in them. My question back to you would be, why SHOULD they be interested in them? Pseudo-science and conspiracy theories are so much easier.
I find this really disgusting and, like Pythagorean, I personally spend most of my time with people who DO like math and science but when I go to Walmart I'm pretty sure the folks there couldn't make correct change without their automatic registers.
WannabeNewton said:A lot of people have more important problems in their lives than worrying about why they're here; if you're interested in physics and math then good for you but don't berate people who aren't. The same exact people can berate you for a lack of interest in something else. How would you feel then?
I still remember biology tests, name all of the bones in the human body and name all of the muscles. Talk about short term memory dump. Memorized it all the night before, aced the test, forgot it the next day.AdrianHudson said:Amen, I'm experiencing that one right now. Biology is a load of memorization.
"Name this valve of the heart"
"What does the liver do"
Evo said:I still remember biology tests, name all of the bones in the human body .
Chronos said:Well, kids in middle school have raging hormones - which can be very distracting. Who cares about science or math when you have an overwhelming need to breed? That is why scientists seem so socially inept. It's the only way they survived youthful enthusiasm - they were social outcasts.
Chronos said:Well, kids in middle school have raging hormones - which can be very distracting. Who cares about science or math when you have an overwhelming need to breed? That is why scientists seem so socially inept. It's the only way they survived youthful enthusiasm - they were social outcasts.
Enigman said:
So? It's their right to hate whatever they want with as much predisposition as they want. There's no official piece of paper on it that says science and math are somehow so fundamental that people have to make an effort to like them in the slightest.Astrum said:A lot of people have an open dislike for science and math.
Astrum said:Maybe your experience was different in HS, but where I went, kids used to avoid chemistry/bio/physics,math like it was the plague.
Far be it for me to question your sense of propriety which I too to a degree share but a natural question arises from the statements that you have put forward:WannabeNewton said:So? It's their right to hate whatever they want with as much predisposition as they want. There's no official piece of paper on it that says science and math are somehow so fundamental that people have to make an effort to like them in the slightest.
Chronos said:Well, kids in middle school have raging hormones - which can be very distracting. Who cares about science or math when you have an overwhelming need to breed? That is why scientists seem so socially inept. It's the only way they survived youthful enthusiasm - they were social outcasts.
A coworker of mine was telling me about how this guy had a dream about his dead grandmother, she told him the lottery numbers, and he won the lottery. This was on TV, and the guy really won the lottery. Well, it's easy to say what happened prior to winning the lottery when there's no evidence of it. I told him the guy could have just made that up, or maybe he had a vague dream about his grandmother and thought she gave him numbers, or maybe if you grilled him about it, he'd admit she didn't give him the numbers per se, but inspired him to play the lottery, or something like that. Or maybe he just flat out lied and didn't have a dream about her at all.In the USA, depending on what study you read, somewhere between 40% and 60% of the population believes in ghosts, aliens, and angels. The vast majority of people will never use anything but the most rudimentary science and math and have no interest in them. My question back to you would be, why SHOULD they be interested in them? Pseudo-science and conspiracy theories are so much easier.
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