Cutting a hole in the projective plane

In summary, the conversation discusses the construction of projective space and the Mobius strip using squares and disc identifications. It is mentioned that the complement of a closed disc in the projective plane is topologically a Mobius strip with boundary. The conversation also explores alternative ways to visualize this concept using physical paper or drawings. It is also noted that the punctured projective plane is homeomorphic to the Mobius strip.
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According to this book I'm reading, if you cut out a closed disc in the projective plane, then the complement of the interior of this disc is topologically a Mobius strip with boundary.

Looking at the constructions of real projective space and the mobius strip from squares though, I can't see how this works?
 

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Have you tried doing the edge identifications with a physical piece of paper? To make things easier, instead of cutting out a small disk, cut out a large square.

Alternatively, if you want to visualize it using drawings like the ones you've attached, what you could do is cut the square from the midpoint of the left edge to the midpoint of the right edge.This'll give you two rectangles with three edges and part of the fourth edge. The edge identifications on the three edges are aba and aba (resp., and same a and b). Mark down the endpoints of the partial edge as x and y (on both rectangles). Now do the identifications on each piece separately. What you ought to get is two 'incomplete' mobius strips, which when you glue together give you a mobius strip with boundary.
 
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Projective space can be constructed as the quotient of the 2 sphere by the atnipodal map, the map that sends each point to its opposite point across the middle of the sphere.

A disc around the north pole is identified to the opposite disc around the south pole and becomes a single disc in projective space. The complement of these two discs is an equatorial cylinder. What is its image in projective space?

You should be able to see this from the square identifications.
 
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imagine a sphere from which a disc and its antipode are removed. then remove a hemisphere defined by a plane containing the diameter joining the centers of both discs.

then identify the antipodes on the remaining set, and note this gives a mobius strip. i.e. the only remaining antipodes are on the vertical edges of the remaining strip.
 
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Thanks, it's a lot easier to see now :)
 
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"According to this book I'm reading, if you cut out a closed disc in the projective plane, then the complement of the interior of this disc is topologically a Mobius strip with boundary."
Are you trying to say that removing an open disc in the projective plane renders the Mobius strip?
The punctured projective plane is homeomorphic to the mobius strip and this doesn't seem to agree with the fact that the disc has to be open...
 

1. What is the projective plane?

The projective plane is a geometric concept that extends the idea of a two-dimensional plane to include points at infinity. It is often represented as a flat surface with no boundaries or edges.

2. What does it mean to "cut a hole" in the projective plane?

Cutting a hole in the projective plane means removing a point or a region from the plane, creating a gap or opening in the surface. This can be done by physically removing a portion of the plane or by mathematically defining a boundary around the hole.

3. Why would someone want to cut a hole in the projective plane?

Cutting a hole in the projective plane can be used to create interesting and complex shapes or to study the properties of the plane itself. It can also be a useful tool in understanding higher dimensional spaces and their relationship to the projective plane.

4. How does cutting a hole affect the properties of the projective plane?

The properties of the projective plane are largely dependent on the number of holes present. Adding or removing holes can change the topological structure of the plane, affecting properties such as connectivity and compactness.

5. Are there any real-world applications for cutting a hole in the projective plane?

Cutting a hole in the projective plane has applications in fields such as computer graphics, physics, and engineering. It can be used to model curved surfaces, study the behavior of light and other electromagnetic waves, and analyze the stability of structures and materials.

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