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Where the energy goes.?

by wslukman
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wslukman
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May27-13, 12:39 AM
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Flyheel the storage energy.

The transfer from mechanical energy to electric energy was equal.
The situation was, i got a 1/2 hp electric motor (EM) that can turning a 5 kg flywhell (∅ 28 cm) to 1500 RPM within 10 second. (connected by gear to each other)
question was:
1. at the 11 second, i turn off the EM, how much energy stored in flywheel until it stop turning.
2. at the 11 second, i turn off the EM, then the flywheel start to reduce it speed to 1300 RPM. At that moment, i'm starting turn on the EM again. How much energy from EM needs to turning and to regain the top speed of the flywheel (from 1300 to 1500 RPM).?

Thanks alot for the answer.
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DennisN
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May27-13, 02:47 AM
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Have a look at rotational kinetic energy. As for where the energy goes, where do you think it goes?
wslukman
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May27-13, 03:41 AM
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Thanks DennisN,

according http://www.botlanta.org/converters/d.../flywheel.html
at 1300 RPM (5000 grams, dia = 283 mm) Disk KE (joule) = 463 j
at 1500 RPM = 617 j
is that mean, i need 617j-463j = 154 joule to regain the top speed.?

If something connected by the flywheel (blade of windmill or pump), energy from EM and energy that stored on flywheel was turn to a mechanical energy, if flywheel connect to none of subject, the energy are use to increasing and maintainance the RPM when flywheel reducing the speed, and some other are.. gone with the wind.? :)

back to question no 1, which expressed theory to answering that.?

phinds
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May27-13, 04:33 AM
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Where the energy goes.?

Where does "wasted" energy generally go in mechanical systems?
wslukman
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May27-13, 05:17 AM
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most are go/used to move "a thing", and finally get suck by "a thing". and disappear..
like energy mechanical we used to pushing a wall, and does the wall stored our energy? or disappear?
because energy can not be create or destroy, so it just flow... wasted, unused, disappear?
like a energy from wind before it get captured by windmill. it nothing but a wind .. i'm i right.?

i'm still need help for question no 1 :) please
mfb
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May28-13, 10:14 AM
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You do not need energy to apply a force on a wall, if the wall does not move.

Energy does not disappear, but it can get converted to another (non-mechanical) type of energy. This usually happens everywhere in mechanical systems. Hint: you can feel it.

What do you mean with question 1, the energy stored at 1500 rpm? You calculated that value already.
wslukman
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May28-13, 09:00 PM
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again i'm using calculating using : http://www.botlanta.org/converters/d.../flywheel.html
Input
Metric (gram, mm)
Mass = 15000
Diameter = 280
RPM = 1500

Output
Surface Speed (M/sec) = 21.99
Interia = 0.147
Disk KE (joules) = 1814.01
Is this the "only" stored energy on flywheel from 1500 RPM until it stop turning.? or rapidly energy output persecond (and the amount was decrease following the slowing revolution of the flywheel it self) ie. it gives out put 1754 joules at 1475 RPM

Centrifugal Force
(Kg) = 5258.07
(Newton) = 51828
davenn
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May28-13, 09:48 PM
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Quote Quote by wslukman View Post
most are go/used to move "a thing", and finally get suck by "a thing". and disappear..
like energy mechanical we used to pushing a wall, and does the wall stored our energy? or disappear?
because energy can not be create or destroy, so it just flow... wasted, unused, disappear?
like a energy from wind before it get captured by windmill. it nothing but a wind .. i'm i right.?

i'm still need help for question no 1 :) please
no, thats not the answer mfb is looking for ;)

read this post of his again ... carefully :)

Quote Quote by mfb
Energy does not disappear, but it can get converted to another (non-mechanical) type of energy. This usually happens everywhere in mechanical systems. Hint: you can feel it.
Dave
wslukman
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May30-13, 08:08 AM
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if it convert to (non mechanical ) type of energy. for mfb question the answer was heat. like when i using my weld machine, and yes too for most of friction betwen 2 or more mechanical thing, like friction on gear, V-belt, and even it not touching one to another, like friction betwen rotor and stator. The motor increasing their heat


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