If spinfoam incorporated unbroken SUSY formalism, would SUSY

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In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of incorporating supersymmetry (SUSY) into loop quantum gravity (LQG) and its effects on the semiclassical limit. While LQG starts with the field equations of Einstein-Cartan and has not been able to recover the semiclassical limit, adding unbroken SUSY to spinfoam may imply SUSY in the semiclassical limit. However, it is also noted that SUSY must be broken at some point above the weak scale, and it is yet to be determined if adding SUSY to spin foam will help achieve a good semiclassical low energy limit. Robert Oeckl's paper also incorporates SUSY into spin foam, but further investigation is needed. Additionally, it is mentioned that
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necessarily appear in the semiclassical limit? Since LQG starts with the field equations of Einstein-Cartan, and quantizes canonically, but is unable to recover the semi-classical limit to date, would quantizing SUGRA or adding unbroken SUSY to spinfoam necessarily imply SUSY (broken or unbroken) in the semi-classical limit?
 
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necessarily appear in the semiclassical limit? Since LQG starts with the field equations of Einstein-Cartan, and quantizes canonically, but is unable to recover the semi-classical limit to date, would quantizing SUGRA or adding unbroken SUSY to spinfoam necessarily imply SUSY (broken or unbroken) in the semi-classical limit?


The thing about supersymmetry is that it has to be broken somewhere above the weak scale, since we don't see hide nor hair of the superpartners. This would apply just as much to any gravity theory as it does in trying to derive the standard model from superstrings.
 
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The thing about supersymmetry is that it has to be broken somewhere above the weak scale, since we don't see hide nor hair of the superpartners. This would apply just as much to any gravity theory as it does in trying to derive the standard model from superstrings.

Robert Oeckl's paper http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0110259 incorporates SUSY into spin foam, but states he will investigate semiclassical issues later.

WOuld there be a reason SUSY might help LQG spin foam reach the goal of good semiclassical low energy limit? Since SUSY-breaking scenarios involving hidden messenger particles and additional hidden fields and positing R-parity, none of which affected Big Bang nucleosynthesis, seem unphysical, could spin foam dynamics be such that spin foam incorporates SUSY, then breaks it (at the Planck scale).
 
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1. What is spinfoam and how does it relate to SUSY?

Spinfoam is a mathematical framework used in loop quantum gravity to describe the discrete structure of spacetime. It is closely related to supersymmetry (SUSY), a theoretical framework that predicts a symmetry between particles with different spin values. Spinfoam is used to incorporate SUSY into quantum gravity theories.

2. What is the significance of incorporating unbroken SUSY formalism in spinfoam?

Incorporating unbroken SUSY formalism in spinfoam allows for the inclusion of supersymmetric particles in quantum gravity theories. This could potentially provide a more complete and unified understanding of the fundamental forces and particles in the universe.

3. How does SUSY affect the predictions of spinfoam models?

SUSY has the potential to modify the predictions of spinfoam models by introducing new symmetries and particles. It could also provide solutions for certain issues in quantum gravity, such as the hierarchy problem. However, the exact effects of SUSY on spinfoam predictions are still being studied and are not yet fully understood.

4. Are there any current theories or models that incorporate both spinfoam and SUSY?

Yes, there are several proposed theories and models that attempt to incorporate both spinfoam and SUSY, such as the Spinfoam Supersymmetry Model (SSM) and the Loop Quantum Gravity Supersymmetry Model (LQGSM). However, these theories are still in the early stages of development and require further testing and refinement.

5. How could the incorporation of SUSY in spinfoam help solve problems in quantum gravity?

One potential benefit of incorporating SUSY in spinfoam is that it could help resolve the issue of non-renormalizability in quantum gravity, which is a major challenge in current theories. SUSY could also provide a way to unify gravity with the other fundamental forces, such as the strong and weak nuclear forces. However, more research and experimentation is needed to fully understand the potential impact of SUSY in spinfoam models.

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