My Mom, the New Skeptic: Exploring a New Belief at 68

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In summary: Others might believe that the Earth is not quite as old as 6,000 years, or that some form of accelerated evolution/catastrophic flood took place immediately after the big bang which would bring the Earth up to its current age.
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My mother was born and raised Roman Catholic. She had devout parents, and went to Catholic school for her entire education (high school.) Later she divorced my father and stopped going to church because she couldn't get the sacraments, but still considered herself Catholic.

When I first started to tell her my world view, that I was not just a lazy Christian, but an atheist, she was upset. That was maybe 15 years ago.

Anyway I'm going the long way round to say that lately she's indicated she is coming to the conclusion that God does not exist. I was surprised, but she has her reasons, and I can't help but agree. I recently stayed with her for several days and we had lots of great conversations. I gave her the basic Big Bang theory and tried to explain how life could come from no life, etc. She was very interested and asked great questions. It was one fo the best times I've had with her in ages! She is 68 years old, and admitted herself, "Shouldn't I get more religious as I get older (i.e. closer to death)?"

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone has any ideas about books or other materials I could get her to help her explore this new belief. She is intelligent, but has only a high school education.

I told her about the Baloney Detection Kit and told her I would bring her Carl Sagan's Demon-Haunted World, but I wondered if anyone else had any suggestions.

Is that weird or what? Never thought I'd see the day. But I'm proud of her to be able to admit it and pursue it. You CAN teach old dogs new tricks. Laughing

Thanks for listening and for any ideas.
 
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If she doesn't mind earthiness, here is a brief read at a website:

http://www.jhuger.com/kisshankbutt.php [Broken]

[It is eerily similar--though admittedly somewhat superior--to something I wrote at a discussion page about five years ago. I find myself wondering if the author happened upon what I wrote back then, and perhaps subconsciously made use of it when composing the Hank story. Long shot, I know.]
 
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infidel said:
Anyway, I was wondering if anyone has any ideas about books or other materials I could get her to help her explore this new belief. She is intelligent, but has only a high school education.

I told her about the Baloney Detection Kit and told her I would bring her Carl Sagan's Demon-Haunted World, but I wondered if anyone else had any suggestions.

Is that weird or what? Never thought I'd see the day. But I'm proud of her to be able to admit it and pursue it. You CAN teach old dogs new tricks. Laughing

Thanks for listening and for any ideas.
That's great. I will see if I can think of anything appropriate. Is she interested in science?
 
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I find it amusing for people to try to debate any sort of God. The human mind is unable to comprehend many things. Hell, according to string theory, there's more then 4 dimensions! I mean come on... if we can't comprehend that, who are we to think we have any definite answer towards the idea of a God.
 
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I suspect ur mother was a creationist (believing in a 6000yr old earth), because if I am not mistaken, Roman Catholics do believe the Big Bang happened. In fact, a Belgian priest invented the Big Bang theory and it is considered the point of creation.

If she were a creationist(believing in a 6000yr old earth), then the Big Bang theory would then be quite shocking to her, but it in no way disproves the existence of God.
 
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Im lost.

I believe God created the universe and consider myself a creationist but what is this about a 6000 year old Earth lol. Am i falsly identifying myself when i say I am a creationist? What is a creationist anyway then lol.
 
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Some Christian Fundamentalists date the Earth at only 6000 years by using the lineages in the Bible which I believe connect Christ all the way back to Adam and Eve. However, being a creationist merely means that you believe the Earth was created whether by a natural scientific sort of process like the big bang or by more miraculous means that break laws of physics and what-not.
 
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so the only people who arent creationists are people who think the Earth has always been here? I don't think that's right... but who am i to say anything haha
 
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Im lost.

I believe God created the universe and consider myself a creationist but what is this about a 6000 year old Earth lol. Am i falsly identifying myself when i say I am a creationist? What is a creationist anyway then lol.

There are many "Young Earth Creationists" (YEC's) who believe literally in Eden, Noah, etc. and in the internal timing implied by the generations and ages of the patriarchs in Genesis, which comes out to creation in -4000 , or 6000 years before present. They have various specious arguments against the big bang, geological time, and so on. The various types of creationists are discussed at Talk Origins Archive, http://www.talkorigins.org/.
 
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Pengwuino said:
I find it amusing for people to try to debate any sort of God. The human mind is unable to comprehend many things. Hell, according to string theory, there's more then 4 dimensions! I mean come on... if we can't comprehend that, who are we to think we have any definite answer towards the idea of a God.

What does this have to do with my post? No one, least of all me, has suggested there are any definite answers. I'm trying to give my mom what the scientific viewpoint as far as I can understand and explain it, that's all.

In fact, what does anything since this post have to do with my post? :confused: Can we get back on track here please?

Someone on another site recommended Shermer's "Why People Believe Weird Things", a book I own, so I'm going to give her that for starters.
 

1. What led your mom to become a skeptic at the age of 68?

My mom's skepticism was a gradual process that began with her questioning certain beliefs and ideas that she had accepted without much thought before. She became more curious and critical about information presented to her, which ultimately led her to become a skeptic.

2. How has your mom's new belief affected her daily life?

My mom's new belief has made her more open-minded and curious about the world around her. She is constantly seeking evidence and questioning everything, which has led to more meaningful discussions and conversations with others.

3. What challenges has your mom faced as a new skeptic?

One of the main challenges my mom has faced as a new skeptic is navigating conversations with friends and family who may not share her beliefs. She has also had to learn to be patient with others who may not understand or accept her new way of thinking.

4. Has your mom's newfound skepticism affected her relationships?

In some ways, her skepticism has strengthened her relationships as she is now able to engage in deeper and more meaningful conversations with others. However, it has also caused some tension with those who do not share her beliefs.

5. How has your mom's journey as a skeptic impacted your own beliefs and perspective?

As a scientist, I have always valued evidence and critical thinking. However, seeing my own mom question and challenge her beliefs at such a late age has truly inspired me. It has reinforced the importance of being open-minded and constantly questioning the world around us.

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