Person hanging over a ledge counterbalanced by a chair

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In summary, a professional firefighter in California is seeking insight into the science behind a bailout technique that involves rappelling down a rope tied to a chair. The chair must be secured in order for this procedure to work, and the variables that contribute to its success include friction on the rope and the angle at which the rope is positioned. Calculations involving the chair's center of mass and the torques around the pivot point can help determine the effectiveness of this technique.
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Hi All,

This isn't a homework problem, but this forum seemed proper for this question. I'm a professional firefighter in California. We just learned this bailout technique and I'm curious as to the science behind why it works. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

-David Anderson

Homework Statement


A FF (m=90kg) is forced to bail out of a window due to extreme heat conditions. He ties off his mass-less rappel rope to a 5kg chair. In order for this procedure to work, the chair cannot move at all while he is rappelling down it. What variables make this work? Is it simply just the friction on the rope? Also, is there a critical angle theta that will make the system catastrophically fail? In other words, if the rope is parallel to the building and perpendicular to the floor (firefighter simply hanging straight up and down), does that make any difference than say if theta was 30 degrees (firefighter assumes classic rappel position)?



Homework Equations


W=mg (probably need to separate into x and y components)
W=T1



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Presumably the chair back is going to act as a lever, pivoting at the widow edge. The center of mass (C.O.M.) of the chair will be well below the pivot, probably located just below the seat level and just back from the center of the seat.

For the sake of argument, say that the chair is initially level with its back pressed against the wall. Its center of mass is located 45cm below the pivot point and 24cm out from the wall. The rope is tied to the top of the chair, and there's 1cm of chair back extending above the window sill (so that's the lever arm for the rope tension). Note that may be less than 1cm depending upon circumstances. This is just for illustration.

You should be able to calculate the torques about the pivot point given your other relevant data.
 

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1. How does the person stay balanced while hanging over the ledge?

The person is counterbalanced by a chair placed on the opposite side of the ledge. The weight of the chair acts as a counterforce, allowing the person to maintain their balance.

2. Is this position safe for the person hanging over the ledge?

As long as the chair is stable and the person is securely holding onto the ledge, this position can be relatively safe. However, it is always important to exercise caution and have someone nearby to assist if needed.

3. Can this counterbalancing technique be used in other situations?

Yes, this technique can be applied in various situations where a person needs to maintain their balance while leaning or hanging over an edge. It can also be used in certain types of physical therapy exercises.

4. Does the weight of the person and the chair need to be equal for this to work?

Ideally, the weight of the person and the chair should be equal for the counterbalancing to be most effective. However, slight differences in weight can still work as long as the chair is stable and the person is holding on securely.

5. What precautions should be taken when using this counterbalancing technique?

It is important to make sure the chair is stable and secure, and that the person is holding onto the ledge firmly. It is also recommended to have someone nearby to assist or spot the person in case they lose their balance. This technique should not be attempted in dangerous or unstable environments.

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