solid/rigid bounce


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Hi guys

enlighten me, How can Rigid bodies with smooth surfaces bounce in a collision

An example is, drooping a metal sphere on a metal surface


is there any deformation happening here as in the situation of a basketball ?
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Deformation - yep.
There is no such thing as the classically rigid body - everything deforms.
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is there any deformation happening here as in the situation of a basketball ?
One artifact of deformation would be the sound waves you hear when the ball meets the floor. As Simon said, there's no such thing as an absolutely rigid object. The atoms and molecules will 'absorb' the energy, and react according to their composite structure.

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solid/rigid bounce


Metal balls are not rigid (and nothing truly is completely rigid). They are very elastic.
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so speaking in simple terms, there is nothing purely rigid in this world every thing deforms during a collision, and that is what is responsible for the bouncing effect that we can observe, am i right ?

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Is it possible to observe the deformation of an very rigid/solid object during a collision ?
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so speaking in simple terms, there is nothing purely rigid in this world every thing deforms during a collision, and that is what is responsible for the bouncing effect that we can observe, am i right ?
That is correct.
Is it so hard to believe that the real world is messier than our idealized models?

Is it possible to observe the deformation of an very rigid/solid object during a collision ?
Define "very solid" and "object" - but, in principle, yes.
For macroscopic objects you need to use interference techniques - but, as TumblingDice said, the sound of the objects striking is a result of the deformation.

If the objects did not deform, then the collision would take place in zero time ... giving "end of the Universe" type issues.
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but, as TumblingDice said, the sound of the objects striking is a result of the deformation..
Lets assume that we have a stone and a surface that don't deform, would dropping the stone down on the surface not result in any sound ?



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Lets assume that we have a stone and a surface that don't deform, would dropping the stone down on the surface not result in any sound ?
How does sound happen?

However, for a collision of two classically rigid surfaces there are other issues like the zero time change in momentum.
If two rigid balls bounce off each other... What happened in terms of the force each experienced?


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