Berthelot Equation 1: Solving for Variables

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In summary: Waals equation and (b) is the Berthelot equation. They arise from two different models, and I don't believe they are functionally identical (I could be wrong here, I haven't tried to check). Is there a reason that you believe one is derivable from the other?Hello sir. Thank you for your time and attention on these matters. Weell, a should actually be(P + a/TVm^2)(Vm - b) = RTwhich is a form of the Berthelot equation. The development and derivations for a, b, R and the form of the eq. which contains Vmc and Vm are the same as the original
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The answer is obviously 'c'.
 
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I'm sorry. I had some problems using the Latex editor. It's my first time using it. I did post earlier about proton affinity though. I haven't gotten a heads up from anyone about it but I think my reasoning is correct. I really wish that there was something like PF when I was in school.
Oh, and the correct answer to the above problem is c.
 
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What I was trying to ask was how does the author Klotz get from a to b?
a
(P + a/Vm^2)( Vm - b) = RT

b
P Vm = RT [1 + 9/128 P/Pc * Tc / T (1 - 6 T^2c / T^2)
 
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(P + a/V2m)(Vm - b) = RT

P = RT/( Vm - b) - a/Vm^2

∂Vm/∂ Pc = 0 = -RTc/( Vmc - b)^2 + 2a/TcVmc^3
∂Vm2/∂2 Pc = 0 = 2RTc/( Vmc - b)^3 - 6a/TcVmc^4


b = Vmc /3 ; 2a = 9RTc/4Vmc^2 * TcVmc^3

a = 9/8 RTc^2 Vmc = 3PcVmc^2 Tc


PcTcVmc^2 = 3/2R Tc^2 Vmc - a

4 PcTcVmc^2 = 3/2R Tc^2 Vmc

3 R Tc/8Pc = Vmc = 3b
b = R Tc/8Pc
4/3 a = 3/2 RTc^2 Vmc
a = 3/4 * 3/2 * 3/8 R2 Tc^3 / Pc
a = 27/64 R^2 Tc^3 / Pc ; b = R Tc/8Pc ; R = 8Pc Vmc/3 Tc
PVmc = RT [1+1/8 PTc /PcT - 9/8 Tc Vmc /T^2 Vm + 3/8 Tc^2 Vmc^2 /T^2 Vm^2 ]

How do I get Vm and Vmc in terms of Pc & Tc? Solve a cubic in terms of Vm?

P Vm = RT[1 + 9/128 P/Pc * Tc/T (1 - 6 Tc^2 /T^2)]
 
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(a) is the van der Waals equation and (b) is the Berthelot equation. They arise from two different models, and I don't believe they are functionally identical (I could be wrong here, I haven't tried to check). Is there a reason that you believe one is derivable from the other?
 
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Hello sir. Thank you for your time and attention on these matters. Weell, a should actually be

(P + a/TVm^2)(Vm - b) = RT

which is a form of the Berthelot equation. The development and derivations for a, b, R and the form of the eq. which contains Vmc and Vm are the same as the original post.

P = RT/(Vm - b) - a/TVm^2

∂Vm/∂ Pc = 0 = -RTc/( Vmc - b)^2 + 2a/TcVmc^3
∂Vm2/∂2 Pc = 0 = 2RTc/( Vmc - b)^3 - 6a/TcVmc^4


b = Vmc /3 ;
2a = 9RTc/4Vmc^2 * TcVmc^3

a = 9/8 RTc^2 Vmc = 3PcVmc^2 Tc

The constant a differs from the van der Waals constant value by a factor of Tc.

PcTcVmc^2 = 3/2R Tc^2 Vmc - a

4 PcTcVmc^2 = 3/2R Tc^2 Vmc
3 R Tc/8Pc = Vmc = 3b

b = R Tc/8Pc
which is the same as the van der Waals value.

4/3 a = 3/2 RTc^2 Vmc
a = 3/4 * 3/2 * 3/8 R2 Tc^3 / Pc

a = 27/64 R^2 Tc^3 / Pc ; b = R Tc/8Pc ; R = 8Pc Vmc/3 Tc

R and b are the same as for the van der Waals eq. The constant a varies only by a factor of Tc.


PVmc = RT [1+1/8 PTc /PcT - 9/8 Tc Vmc /T^2 Vm + 3/8 Tc^2 Vmc^2 /T^2 Vm^2 ]

So how do I get Vm and Vmc in terms of Pc & Tc? Solve a cubic in terms of Vm?

P Vm = RT[1 + 9/128 P/Pc * Tc/T (1 - 6 Tc^2 /T^2)]
 

What is the Berthelot Equation 1?

The Berthelot Equation 1 is a mathematical formula used to solve for variables in thermodynamic systems, specifically relating to the calculation of heat capacities.

How is the Berthelot Equation 1 used in scientific research?

The Berthelot Equation 1 is commonly used in thermodynamic studies to determine the heat capacities of various substances, which is important for understanding the behavior of these substances in different temperatures and conditions.

What are the variables involved in the Berthelot Equation 1?

The variables in the Berthelot Equation 1 include the heat capacity at constant pressure, the heat capacity at constant volume, and the difference between the heat capacity at constant pressure and constant volume.

What are the limitations of the Berthelot Equation 1?

The Berthelot Equation 1 is only applicable to ideal gases and cannot accurately predict the behavior of real gases. It also assumes that the heat capacities are constant over a wide range of temperatures.

Are there other equations similar to the Berthelot Equation 1?

Yes, there are other equations that are similar to the Berthelot Equation 1, such as the Mayer Equation and the Joule-Thomson Equation, which are also used to calculate heat capacities and other thermodynamic properties.

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