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The nine year old girl who was killed.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/bi...nddaughter-dies-in-Arizona-sho?urn=mlb-305133
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/bi...nddaughter-dies-in-Arizona-sho?urn=mlb-305133
jreelawg said:But what happens when people get hurt?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12147588US congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, who was shot in the head by a gunman in Arizona, is responding well to treatment and can follow simple commands after surgery, doctors say.
Evo said:The police chief said that he had plenty of bullets left in the magazine, where did you read that he was re-loading?
drankin said:In the latest press release the police chief said that a woman grabbed his magazine from his gun while he was reloading.
EnumaElish said:Already there are calls for/expectation of airport-like security for access to U.S. politicians in the future:
"In the case of the shooting, the by-product of our system is that the people have for the most part unobstructed access to their politicians."
http://dailybail.com/home/ron-paul-on-the-colbert-report-debating-the-gold-standard-wh.html
edward said:It was the sheriff that made the statements about the woman. Although she had been shot she grabbed the second magazine. The assailant finally did get another high capacity clip in but it had a defective spring and the weapon would not fire.
http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=13811346
nismaratwork said:... at which point 2 bystanders tackled him and held him down. Oh yes, and the woman in question has already been shot when she attacked the shooter.
I should add that we're all just lucky this kid didn't think to just snag a few more guns, fire, drop, repeat. It's a saving grace that the people who commit these acts are generally poor planners when it comes to their "visions".
Evo: NPR and other sources, sorry about the delay, I had an emergency situation with a patient. In addition I'm familiar with the firearm, and the numbers of those shot. 20 out of 33 bullets hit someone... I wonder if people realize how far above the average mark that is?
arildno, what has the site got to do with anything? Are you confusing this group with the mainstream Democratic party?arildno said:For those of you who find Palin's "target pracice" map so offensive, please take a look at the following "Heartland Strategy" article map from the Democratic Leadership Committe.
This is from 2004.
Here, there is talk of getting behind "Enemy Lines", and nice bullseyes are painted on a number of states:
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253055&kaid=127&subid=171
Face it:
Military simile is a part of American political rhetoric. It is not something Palin made up, but is common throughout your political spectrum.
I am disgusted by those of you who do not own up to that, and hypocritically say you are "offended" by Palin's map.
You are not. You are merely gleeful at yet another opportunity to demonize somebody you don't like.
Well, isn't it?Evo said:arildno, what has the site got to do with anything? Are you confusing this group with the mainstream Democratic party?
nismaratwork said:DA: It's scary to be here sometimes, but we're not pirating ships or arming crazed dictators (lately), so I'd be more concerned about the Korean Peninsula, 3 upcoming Chinese carriers, Iran and what Israel will do, Darfur...
Remember, random violence is rare compared to being harmed in ANY country by your nearest and dearest, so this event can't be emblematic of any country's behaviour.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner"
- "My favorite activity is conscience dreaming."
- "Firstly, the current government officials are in power for their currency, but I'm informing you for your new currency".
- "My hope is for you to be literate. If you're literate in English grammar then you comprehend English grammar. The majority of people who reside in District 8 are illiterate. Hilarious."
- "If I have my civil rights then this message wouldn't have happen [sic]."
- "In conclusion, my ambition is for informing literate dreamers about a new currency... in a few days, you'll know I'm conscience dreaming."
arildno said:Well, isn't it?
It looks like a Democratically affiliated think tank to me.
rhody said:I promised to bow out of this, but I just http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47307.html" and couldn't resist.
Seems this young intern saved her life, way to go, way to go...
Rhody...
DevilsAvocado said:Oh no... now I see where this is going... and it’s probably my fault...
I know you guys get a lot of sh*t from all places. It was NOT my intention to BLAME you or USA.
Kim Jong (fu*king) ill is a criminal murderer and so are many other "Sheik Yerbouti" out there. USA are the last superpower and are acting "World Police", for good and bad, and if it wasn’t for you guys we would have Adolf III as Führer of Europe right now.
We care (about the small people;) and the last thing we wish is that there will be a religious fanatic "Kim-Jong-Nuts" as president of USA. That would be the last mayhem on this planet.Let’s get the 'facts' clear:
Looking for 'clues' in Jared Lee Loughner’s 'statements', is like looking for Hamlet in a pile of dog sh*t:
- Sarah Palin was NOT involved in the Tucson shooting.
- We do NOT know what "motivated/trigged" the shooter Jared Lee Loughner.
- Jared Lee Loughner is without doubts totally NUTS.
- Gabrielle Giffords experienced several threats before the attack.
- Sarah Palin is LOUD and not the brightest person on earth.
- Glenn Beck is LOUDER and among the dumbest persons on earth.
- Both can produce an 'effect' on a nutcase with ONE BRAIN CELL.
WhoWee said:I saw an interview with this fellow, while active on her campaign, he's only been on the job for five days. It sounds as though his actions really did save her life.
Okay, buy that... sort of... ;)nismaratwork said:It's not the content of what Loughner says...
arildno said:Okay, nismara!
I assume neither DLC members Hillary Clinton or Loe Lieberman have anything to do with mainstream Democratic thought, do they?
DevilsAvocado said:Okay, buy that... sort of... ;)
nismaratwork said:Lieberman certainly doesn't, but Hillary Clinton does... still, that's not saying this is affiliated. Being a member of an organization doesn't mean that organization therefore is a part of, or affiliated with the organizations of its members.
nismaratwork said:The analysis of writing is a fundamental part of many neurological and psychological evaluations... it's interesting stuff.
mheslep said:That's the September 2009 Tea Party march on the Capitol; Palin was not there, did not speak, and has no official connection with the Tea Party.
The it's an offshoot, I guess you could say.arildno said:Well, isn't it?
It looks like a Democratically affiliated think tank to me.
arildno said:What are you blathering about?
IS DLC some sort of extremist organization?
No, it is not.
It is a perfectly standard sub-grouping within the Democratic Party.
Is their "Behind Enemy Lines" map dumb or offensive?
No, it is not.
The only relevant difference here is how hypocritical people denounce Palin from making a similar "Target Practice map", that members of their own flock has done previously.
It is the denunciation of Palin on this issue that is wrong-headed.
Just because that woman is an anti-evolutionist nutcase does NOT mean that particular target map was anything "dreadful" or out of the ordinary line of political strategy rhetoric.
It was not, and Palin-haters ought to admit that.
Can you dismember your rhetoric of US politics? If not, it is a bit disturbing to handle a Scandinavian-based diatribe with no pesronal motivation. Catch a clue here.arildno said:According to Wikipedia, DLC members includes Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman, and President Obama, a non-DLC has "surrounded himself with DLC members".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council
So, YES, Evo, I will regard the DLC think tank as a ainstream thread of the Democratic Party, among several other threads, I'm sure.
From what I know, the Tea Party is a rather extremist off-shoot of the Republican Party, that many Republicans are embarassed by.Evo said:The it's an offshoot, I guess you could say.
Proton Soup said:finger pointing and monday morning quarterbacking isn't helpful here. crazy people do crazy things for crazy reasons. this has happened before, it has happened again, and will likely happen yet again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hinckley,_Jr.
Or Bill Clinton, Evan Bayh, ...arildno said:Okay, nismara!
I assume neither DLC members Hillary Clinton or Loe Lieberman have anything to do with mainstream Democratic thought, do they?
YOU are the one talking in generalities, not me.nismaratwork said:Well, I don't hate Palin, but I think you'd count me as a "Palin Hater", and I think she has nothing to do with this. I loathe Glenn Beck, but he didn't do this either. You can talk in generalities, but you're talking to me and I don't have those views you describe.
So, we know this guy was insane, and we know he fits the pattern of someone is also violent. It's reasonable to assume that there was a trigger in his life for this, but I'd guess it was something that occurred in his life; moving back home, school, women onset of schizophrenia...etc. I think what Americans are finding so disturbing is that Loughner has the appearance of being a kind of violent incarnation of this poisonous political climate.
Let me make this easy: Look up what Giffords had to say about the map... it's NOT usual. Don't mistake the Bush W., and post period with the NORM of American politics. You seem very confident about an assessment that I can only describe as fatally flawed.