Taking Derivative of Av-2exp(s/R): Solve Tds-Pdv

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In summary, the conversation discusses a system defined by the equation u = Av-2exp(s/R) and how to find the final temperature of the system when pressure is halved and (s/R) is constant. The equation du = Tds - Pdv is mentioned and the person asks for help in taking the derivative of Av-2exp(s/R) to get it in the form of Tds - Pdv. The conversation also mentions the total differential, du, and clarifies the partial derivatives for exp(s/R).
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Homework Statement



I have a system that is defined by the equation:

u = Av-2exp(s/R)

I'm looking for the final temperature of the system knowing that as the system changes, pressure will be halved and (s/R) will be a constant.

The equation which relates energy, temperature, and pressure is du = Tds - Pdv

How do I take the derivative of Av-2exp(s/R) to get it in the form Tds - Pdv?

Homework Equations



[tex]\partial[/tex]u[tex]\partial[/tex]s=T
[tex]\partial[/tex]u[tex]\partial[/tex]v=-P
du = [tex]\partial[/tex]u[tex]\partial[/tex]s ds + [tex]\partial[/tex]u[tex]\partial[/tex]v dv

The Attempt at a Solution



Do I take the partial derivative of the whole thing for v, then add another term that is the partial derivative of the whole thing for s?

-2Av-3exp(s/R) + partial derivative for exp(s/R) with respect to s = du?

And, when you're taking the derivative of exp(s/R), does it come out something like: 1/Rexp(s/R)?
 
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I think what you're looking for is what's called the total differential, du.

In your problem,
[tex]du = \frac{\partial u}{\partial s}~ds~+~\frac{\partial u}{\partial v}~dv [/tex]

Starting with u = Av-2es/R, take each partial derivative and substitute it into the preceding formula.

And, when you're taking the derivative of exp(s/R), does it come out something like: 1/Rexp(s/R)?
It depends on which partial you're taking. If you take the partial of u w.r.t s, yes, that's right. If you're taking the partial of u wrt v, though, it doesn't. That partial is 0, since es/R is a constant as far as v is concerned.
 
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Thank you.
 

1. What is the purpose of taking the derivative of Av-2exp(s/R)?

The purpose of taking the derivative of Av-2exp(s/R) is to find the rate of change of the function with respect to its independent variables, in this case, temperature (T) and volume (V).

2. How do you solve for Tds-Pdv?

To solve for Tds-Pdv, you will need to take the partial derivative of the function Av-2exp(s/R) with respect to temperature (T) and volume (V). Then, you can substitute the values for T and V into the resulting equations and solve for Tds and Pdv separately.

3. What is the significance of solving Tds-Pdv?

Solving Tds-Pdv allows you to determine the change in entropy (ds) and pressure (P) of a system as it undergoes changes in temperature and volume. This information is important in understanding the thermodynamic properties of a system and how it responds to changes in its surroundings.

4. Can you explain the meaning of the variables in the function Av-2exp(s/R)?

The variable A represents a constant, v represents the specific volume of the system, s represents the entropy, R is the gas constant, and exp(x) represents the exponential function e^x. Therefore, the function represents the change in entropy (s) as a function of specific volume (v) with a constant factor (A) and the gas constant (R).

5. How can taking the derivative of Av-2exp(s/R) be applied in real-world situations?

Taking the derivative of Av-2exp(s/R) can be applied in various fields such as thermodynamics, chemistry, and engineering. It can be used to analyze and predict the behavior of systems as they undergo changes in temperature and volume, which is useful in designing and optimizing processes and technologies in these fields.

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