Curved spacetime and imaginary coordinate

In summary, "Gravitation" it is stated on that "no one has discovered a way to make an imaginary coordinate work in the general curved spacetime manifold" (p.51). Can anyone elaborate on this? Right now, I don't get why it wouldn't work and nothing more is said in the book.Either way, the "norm" of a four vector (ct,x,y,z) in flat spacetime is -ct^2 +x^2 +y^2 +z^2. Some textbooks (I believe Marion-Thornton does this) try to "hide" the negative sign by instead saying that the dot product of four-vectors is as in Euclidean space,
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In Misner, Thorne, Wheeler: "Gravitation" it is stated on that "no one has discovered a way to make an imaginary coordinate work in the general curved spacetime manifold" (p.51). Can anyone elaborate on this? Right now, I don't get why it wouldn't work and nothing more is said in the book.
 
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Either way, the "norm" of a four vector [itex](ct,x,y,z)[/itex] in flat spacetime is [itex]-ct^2 +x^2 +y^2 +z^2[/itex]. Some textbooks (I believe Marion-Thornton does this) try to "hide" the negative sign by instead saying that the dot product of four-vectors is as in Euclidean space, but the time component is imaginary. This of course is mathematically equivalent, but hides the very idea of a metric which we will need later in GR.

Also, in flat spacetime we become complacent with the idea that a vector can be a 'displacement vector', instead of event coordinates being separate from the vector coordinates in the tangent space. Once in curved space this becomes obvious, and pushing the imaginary number onto the coordinates of the tangent space means even less then. Furthermore, the metric would start to have imaginary components, and the curvature and other things would need to be redone just to fix this kludge.

So imaginary coordinates are not useful at all (they don't "work").
I don't think they are claiming you literally cannot make changes in definitions to force such a substitution on the notation, but one would have to be acutely aware of this substitution to prevent problems ... to the point where you'd most likely be forced to just work it out normally and do the substitution afterwards (making that notation pointess).
 
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JustinLevy said:
the metric would start to have imaginary components
I think that's it. The whole point of imaginary time is to get rid of the negative sign from any of the metric components. Before considering curvature you need cross-terms in the metric, which corresponds to putting [itex]\sqrt{-1}[/itex] in some of the metric components if you use imaginary time. The cure is worse than the disease.
 
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Okay, so assigning imaginary values to a dimension in curved spacetime is not prinicpally impossible, in the sense that it would lead to inconsistencies, but it's rather that it's just highly impracticable and therefore of no use. Hope I got that right; thank you!
 

1. What is curved spacetime?

Curved spacetime is a concept in physics that describes the bending of space and time caused by the presence of massive objects. It is a fundamental aspect of Einstein's theory of general relativity.

2. How does curved spacetime affect the motion of objects?

Curved spacetime affects the motion of objects by causing them to follow curved paths instead of straight lines. This is due to the presence of gravity, which is caused by the curvature of spacetime.

3. What are imaginary coordinates?

Imaginary coordinates are a mathematical tool used to describe curved spacetime. They involve the use of complex numbers, which have both real and imaginary components, to represent the coordinates of points in spacetime.

4. Why are imaginary coordinates necessary in describing curved spacetime?

Imaginary coordinates are necessary in describing curved spacetime because they allow us to use mathematical equations to describe the curvature and motion of objects in this type of spacetime. Without them, it would be much more difficult to understand and model these phenomena.

5. How does the concept of curved spacetime relate to the theory of relativity?

The concept of curved spacetime is a fundamental part of Einstein's theory of general relativity. It explains how gravity works and how massive objects affect the fabric of spacetime. Additionally, the theory of relativity helps us understand the relationship between space, time, and gravity, and how they are all interconnected.

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