The Ultimate Question: What Created the Universe?

[Jonny_trigonometry]

I have come to believe that most adults, take the world just as it is. They never dare to explore beyond the limits, the study of how " everything " began. They just sit in their sofa, be a couch potato, and take everything as it seems!:yuck:

I agree with the feeling you convey. I believe everybody comprehends this topic though, and they also agree with you and think that most people don't think about it.

 

[Jonny_trigonometry]

the way I look at it is this: There must be some sort of notion of something existing forever, something that had no beginning. Ya, sounds odd, but I think it is necessary. If the universe was created by two colliding branes, then how did the branes get there but from previous brane collisions ad infinitum? If LQG concludes that the universe existed in a "negative" form leading up to the big bang, don't negative numbers also go off to infinity? If there is a finite timespan of the universe in both directions in time, then the universe oscillates back and forth forever. If the universe had a definate beginning out of nothing at all, then you can say that God created it out of nothing because he has the power to do so by definition, and also by definition, God had no biginning either. So whether you believe in God or not, the way I see it, you must believe that something (God or the universe<--not what happened from the BB, but pre BB theories) had no beginning.

Although I have my own theory. The universe has existed forever, but God put it there. The big bang is continuously occurring, and it is the only "white hole"--meaning the opposite of a black hole--in the universe. The singularity of the BB is multiply connected to all other singularities in the universe (which are black holes), and all particles are singularities with even horizons. General relativity is a statistical distribution theory which averages out all the singularities in a given frame. Black holes as we know them today are thought of as copiously massive things, but I think it's all relative when you change your frame to look at a single particle on a small scale, it would look pretty much the same. The Einstein-Rosen bridge was an attempt to apply GR to an electron, and the solution was a multiply connected singularity, my only change is that all particles are multiply connected to the same thing, the BB. Therefore space-time flows into all particles and flows out of the BB. You may notice that I say it "flows", well that's becuase I've given space-time the same property as the Higgs field, and that means we deal with vector fields rather than scalar fields, so we can speak of gravity as an accelerating flow of space-time toward a singularity. We are in a part of the universe that has been coasting away from the BB for some time now, but we're traveling along in our local space-time frame that was emmitted from the BB, so it seems as though the BB happened a long time and distance ago, but it is still occurring, and we are closer to the BB than we think, in fact, we are made of particles, so we are "touching" it. of course, at the event horizon, light could orbit forever, and on the quantum scale, that's how I see things. An electron is a space-time singularity, and there is a single stable configuration for an electric field to orbit, and due to Maxwell's induced current, a balled up electric field is essentially a stationary charge, and since it is "orbiting" it has a magnetic moment in the form of spin. So, there are stable field configurations which don't get sucked into the singularities and give the properties of all the elementary particles, and that's why we aren't sucked into the BB. Somehow, mass is quantized too... and the strong and weak forces, well ahh... I still got to think about that one.

 

[Gelsamel Epsilon]

Sorry to come to the conversation so late. I was bored and googled for philosophy and found this cool site.

What created the big bang? I have been reading a lot on string theory and found a great site with no reading required to get started:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html

(I like videos)

Ok - so let's say string theory is real and strings in the 10th dimension caused the 4 dimensions we know of to come into existence. It still doesn't really answer the essence of the question. Where did the strings come from?

The question will just get deeper and deeper, but its the same question. What created the first thing?

Even the God answer doesn't solve it... Ok - let's say God created the first thing. Then God becomes the first thing, so what created God?

Its a great question and one that I don't think we will ever be able to answer unless we can accept that something has always been there.

After asking the question "what created whatever" over and over you would evetually come to something which is eternal, is and forever will be. Strings themselfs could be eternal.

 

[selfAdjoint]

After asking the question "what created whatever" over and over you would evetually come to something which is eternal, is and forever will be. Strings themselfs could be eternal.

This is self contradictory. Why can't we ask "what created.." questions about strings (physicists do, but don't get any accepted answers), and then reach, by your unsupported assertion, an unstrung stringer?

Generally reason fails us in these questions. We can't rule out either the first cause or the infinite regress.

 

[Jonny_trigonometry]

Generally reason fails us in these questions. We can't rule out either the first cause or the infinite regress.

yes, well put.

1. God has existed forever
2. The universe has existed forever
3. both 1 and 2 combined

those three are the only possible answers.

 

[unscientific]

Nope there is one more possibility. Greek philosophers thought that there must be a basic, a funfamental substance in all things.

 

[nannoh]

What universe?

 

[Castlegate]

We can't rule out either the first cause or the infinite regress.

This is quite true at this time. Many will choose and just run with it, and see where it takes them. I for one picked first cause and came up with nothing literally. Yep ... Nothing is the first cause. Don't make any sense? Of course not. That's because the universe is a contradiction.

 

[moving finger]

yes, well put.

1. God has existed forever
2. The universe has existed forever
3. both 1 and 2 combined

those three are the only possible answers.

There is at least one other :

4. Time is finite but unbounded

Best Regards