Conserved currents in Mandl & Shaw (section 2.4)

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In summary, the conversation discusses the use of a functional derivative in Mandl & Shaw's book for obtaining a conserved quantity, while other textbooks use a simple partial derivative. The connection between functional and partial derivatives is explained through the example of Noether's theorem and the use of Gauss' theorem. The conversation also mentions Schwinger's identity, which is a useful tool in this context.
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I am currently reading "Quantum Field Theory" by Mandl & Shaw (2nd edition). In section 2.4, they give an equation for obtaining a conserved quantity (which leave the Lagrangian density invariant) :

[tex]\frac{\delta f^\alpha}{\delta x^\alpha} = 0[/tex] (2.36 in Mandl & Shaw)

In other textbooks that I have consulted, I usually find the following expression for a conserved quantity :

[tex]\frac{\partial f^\alpha}{\partial x^\alpha} = 0[/tex]

I would like to know why is Mandl & Shaw using what seems to be a functional derivative instead of a simple partial derivative.

Furthermore, does anyone know how to work with the functional derivative used by Mandl & Shaw and how to obtain equation (2.36a) with it? Can I treat it as a simple derivative? It seems wrong to do so...
 
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I think it is a mistake. You don’t take functional derivative with respect to coordinates. If that section of the book is about Noether’s theorem, then the following might help you understand the connection functional and partial derivatives;
Let [itex]s(x)[/itex] be a space-like hyper surface passes through a specific point x. Let us define a 4-vector differential area at the point x by
[tex]
ds^{\mu}=(dx^{1}dx^{2}dx^{3},dx^{0}dx^{1}dx^{2},dx^{0}dx^{1}dx^{3},dx^{0}dx^{2}dx^{3})
[/tex]
Now, let [itex]Q[/itex] be a functional of a surface [itex]s[/itex]. The functional derivative at a point x is defined by
[tex]
\frac{\delta Q}{\delta s(x)}= \lim_{v(x) \rightarrow 0} \frac{Q[\bar{s}]-Q}{v(x)}
[/tex]
where [itex]v(x)[/itex] is the volume enclosed between the two surfaces [itex]\bar{s}[/itex] and [itex]s[/itex].
Now let [itex]Q[/itex] be given by
[tex]Q= \int_{s} ds_{\mu} f^{\mu}(x),[/tex]
where [itex]f_{\mu}(x)[/itex] is some smooth vector field, then according to Gauss’ theorem we find
[tex]\frac{\delta Q}{\delta s}= \lim_{v \rightarrow 0} \frac{\int_{\bar{s}}ds_{\mu}f^{\mu}(x) - \int_{s} ds_{\mu}f^{\mu}(x)}{v(x)}=\partial_{\mu}f^{\mu}[/tex]
Using this, Schwinger was able to prove the following (very, very useful) identity
[tex]
\int ds_{\mu}\partial_{\nu}F(x) = \int ds_{\nu}\partial_{\mu}F(x),
[/tex]
where
[tex]|\vec{x}|^{2}F(x)\rightarrow 0,\ \ \mbox{as}\ \ |\vec{x}| \rightarrow \infty[/tex]

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1. What are conserved currents in Mandl & Shaw (section 2.4)?

Conserved currents in Mandl & Shaw refer to the symmetries of the Lagrangian that result in the conservation of certain physical quantities, known as currents. These currents are conserved because the equations of motion derived from the Lagrangian have a specific form that ensures the conservation of the corresponding current.

2. How are conserved currents related to symmetries?

Conserved currents are related to symmetries because they arise from the fact that the equations of motion are invariant under certain transformations, known as symmetries. These symmetries can be spatial, temporal, or internal, and they result in the conservation of the corresponding current.

3. What is the significance of conserved currents in physics?

Conserved currents have significant implications in physics because they represent the conservation of fundamental physical quantities, such as energy, momentum, and angular momentum. They also provide a powerful framework for understanding the underlying symmetries of physical systems and can be used to derive important laws and equations in physics.

4. How do conserved currents contribute to the field of quantum mechanics?

Conserved currents play a crucial role in quantum mechanics by providing a framework for understanding the symmetries of quantum systems. They are also used in the development of important quantum field theories, such as quantum electrodynamics, and they help to explain the conservation laws observed in quantum processes.

5. Can conserved currents be experimentally observed?

Yes, conserved currents can be experimentally observed through various methods, such as measuring the total charge or momentum in a system. These currents are fundamental physical quantities, so their conservation can be confirmed through experimental measurements, providing evidence for the underlying symmetries of the system.

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