Question on Poincare Recurrence Theorem

In summary, the Poincare Recurrence Theorem states that if a flow preserves volume and has only bounded orbits, then for each open set there exist orbits that intersect the set infinitely often. However, this does not necessarily mean that all trajectories in a Hamiltonian system with a bounded phase space will eventually return arbitrarily close to the original starting point. Only some, not all, trajectories will do so, as there may exist orbits that intersect the set later. This result was a main counterargument to the veracity of Boltzmann's theory of kinetics, according to physicist Daniel.
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Poincare Recurrence Theorem states that:
"If a flow preserves volume and has only bounded orbits then for each open set there exist orbits that intersect the set infinitely often."

But it does not imply (does it?) that
"In hamiltonian system with bounded phase space, all trajectories will eventually return arbitrarily close to the original starting point."

Only some not all trajectories will do so. When we consider a small neighbourhood of the starting point, and by the theorem, there exist some orbits (not all) that intersect the set later.
 
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Yes,Poincaré's result was the main counterargument physicists found to the veridicity of Boltzmann's theory of kinetics...

Daniel.
 
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Your statement is correct. The Poincare Recurrence Theorem does not guarantee that all trajectories in a Hamiltonian system with a bounded phase space will return arbitrarily close to the original starting point. It only guarantees that there will exist some orbits that intersect a given open set infinitely often. This means that there will be some trajectories that do return close to the starting point, but not necessarily all of them. The theorem also does not specify when or how often these returns will occur. Additionally, the theorem assumes that the flow preserves volume, which may not always be the case in a Hamiltonian system. Therefore, while the Poincare Recurrence Theorem is a useful tool for understanding the behavior of dynamical systems, it is important to consider its limitations and the specific conditions under which it applies.
 

1. What is the Poincare Recurrence Theorem?

The Poincare Recurrence Theorem is a mathematical theorem that states that in a system with finite energy and a finite number of degrees of freedom, any state of the system will eventually return arbitrarily close to its initial state after a sufficiently long time.

2. What is the significance of the Poincare Recurrence Theorem?

The Poincare Recurrence Theorem is significant because it provides a mathematical proof for the concept of recurrence in dynamical systems. It also has implications for the behavior of physical systems, such as the long-term stability of the solar system.

3. How does the Poincare Recurrence Theorem relate to the Second Law of Thermodynamics?

The Poincare Recurrence Theorem is often seen as contradicting the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which states that entropy (disorder) in a closed system will always increase over time. However, this apparent contradiction is resolved by the fact that the Poincare Recurrence Theorem only applies to idealized systems, while the Second Law of Thermodynamics applies to real-world systems with external influences.

4. Can the Poincare Recurrence Theorem be applied to all systems?

No, the Poincare Recurrence Theorem only applies to systems with finite energy and a finite number of degrees of freedom. It also assumes that the system is isolated and has no external influences. Real-world systems often do not meet these criteria, so the theorem cannot be applied to them.

5. Are there any real-world examples of the Poincare Recurrence Theorem?

While the Poincare Recurrence Theorem may not apply to real-world systems in its strictest sense, there are some systems that exhibit similar behavior. For example, the orbits of planets in our solar system can be seen as a form of recurrence, as they repeat their pattern over very long periods of time. However, this is not a perfect example as there are external influences from other celestial bodies that can disrupt the system's recurrence.

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