Find the derivative and the domain of the derivative (trig funtions)

In summary, the homework statement is to find the derivative of f(x+h). The problem is that the simplification is too complicated for the student to understand. The student is trying to use the limit definition of derivative, but may need to use a couple of limit formulas.
  • #1
Absolutism
28
0

Homework Statement



f(x)=sin(2x+5)

Homework Equations



I am supposed to find the derivative, and the domain of it. The problem is that I cannot deal with the simplification of it.

The Attempt at a Solution



As far as I know, I am suppsosed to use f(x+h)-f(x)/h
= sin(2(x+h)+5)-(sin(2x+5))/h

I tried expanding what's inside, as in sin(2x+2h+5)-sin(2x+5)/h
But that doesn't seem to lead to a solution
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
Absolutism said:

Homework Statement



f(x)=sin(2x+5)

Homework Equations



I am supposed to find the derivative, and the domain of it. The problem is that I cannot deal with the simplification of it.

The Attempt at a Solution



As far as I know, I am suppsosed to use f(x+h)-f(x)/h
= sin(2(x+h)+5)-(sin(2x+5))/h

I tried expanding what's inside, as in sin(2x+2h+5)-sin(2x+5)/h
But that doesn't seem to lead to a solution
Are you certain that you have to use the limit definition of the derivative here? Have you learned the chain rule yet?
 
  • #3
I have learned the chain rule, and I am certain I am supposed to use the limit definition in this question
 
  • #4
OK, then I think you'll need to use the sum identity for sine: sin(A + B) = sin(A)cos(B) + cos(A)sin(B).

You will probably need to use a couple of limit formulas as well:
[tex]\lim_{h \to 0}\frac{sin(h)}{h} = 1[/tex]
[tex]\lim_{h \to 0}\frac{cos(h) - 1}{h} = 0[/tex]
 
  • #5
recall the trigonometric identity
sin(2(x+h)+5)-(sin(2x+5))=2 sin(h) cos(h+2 x+5)
or in general
sin(A)-sin(B)=2 sin(A/2-B/2) cos(A/2+B/2)
and use the facts that
cosine is continuous
sin'(0)=1
 
  • #6
Absolutism said:
I have learned the chain rule, and I am certain I am supposed to use the limit definition in this question

Mark44 said:
OK, then I think you'll need to use the sum identity for sine: sin(A + B) = sin(A)cos(B) + cos(A)sin(B).

You will probably need to use a couple of limit formulas as well:
[tex]\lim_{h \to 0}\frac{sin(h)}{h} = 1[/tex]
[tex]\lim_{h \to 0}\frac{cos(h) - 1}{h} = 0[/tex]

lurflurf said:
recall the trigonometric identity
sin(2(x+h)+5)-(sin(2x+5))=2 sin(h) cos(h+2 x+5)
or in general
sin(A)-sin(B)=2 sin(A/2-B/2) cos(A/2+B/2)
and use the facts that
cosine is continuous
sin'(0)=1


Am I supposed to solve for when a --> 0?

That's what I did.

sin(2x+5)-sin(2a+5) = 2sin ((x-a)/2) cos ((x+a)/2)

= sin (2x+5)-sin (5) = 2sin (x/2) cos (x/2)

Then the x was = 0

I am not sure I am on the right track. The derivative is cos(2x+5)(2) .-. I am not supposed to achieve a value. So was I supposed to keep the a?
 
  • #7
Absolutism said:
Am I supposed to solve for when a --> 0?

That's what I did.

sin(2x+5)-sin(2a+5) = 2sin ((x-a)/2) cos ((x+a)/2)

...

Actually sin(2x+5)-sin(2a+5) = 0

You need to look at sin((2x+5)+h)-sin(2a+5) = 2sin (h/2) cos ((2x+5)+h/2) .
 
  • #8
SammyS said:
Actually sin(2x+5)-sin(2a+5) = 0

You need to look at sin((2x+5)+h)-sin(2a+5) = 2sin (h/2) cos ((2x+5)+h/2) .


Oh. Alright. Thank you very much :]
 

What is a derivative?

A derivative is a mathematical concept that represents the rate of change of a function at a specific point. It describes how the output of a function changes with respect to its input.

How do you find the derivative of a trigonometric function?

To find the derivative of a trigonometric function, you can use the power rule or the chain rule, depending on the specific trigonometric function. For example, the derivative of sine is cosine, and the derivative of tangent is secant squared.

What is the domain of a derivative?

The domain of a derivative is the set of all input values for which the derivative function is defined. In other words, it is the set of all values for which the rate of change of the original function can be calculated.

What is the significance of finding the derivative of a function?

Finding the derivative of a function allows us to analyze the behavior of the function at a specific point and understand how it changes over a given interval. It also helps us find the maximum and minimum points of a function and determine its concavity.

Can the derivative of a trigonometric function ever be undefined?

Yes, the derivative of a trigonometric function can be undefined at certain points, especially when the function has sharp turns or vertical tangents. These points are known as points of discontinuity, and the derivative cannot be calculated at these points.

Similar threads

  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
23
Views
920
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
2
Views
938
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
18
Views
1K
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
3
Views
822
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
8
Views
442
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
12
Views
1K
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
6
Views
882
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
3
Views
782
Back
Top