Two spaceships are orbiting a massive body

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In summary: As we can see, both proper time intervals are equal, showing that the proper time experienced by "A" and "B" are the same. This satisfies the requirement for symmetry and confirms that there is no preferred reference frame in this scenario.In summary, we have defined a coordinate system centered on spaceship "A" and calculated the proper time intervals along the paths of both spaceships using the Schwarzschild metric. This shows that the proper time experienced by both spaceships is equal, solving the paradox presented in this problem.
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Spaceship "A" is on a circular orbit around the massive body in one direction. "B" is on the same circular orbit in the other direction. As they pass each other, they synchronize their watches. When they meet again, they compare watches.

When the two spaceships separate, but before they've separated very far, they can be assumed to be in such a small region of space that special relativity applies. In this region, in the approximate inertial reference frame of spaceship "A", it is clear that spaceship "B" is moving and should have his time dilated. When "A" and "B" again meet, the same things is true.

Intuitively, this suggests that "A" should be treated as the stationary twin and "B" should be treated as the traveling twin. Yet, by symmetry, we know that the proper time experienced by "A" and "B" must be the same.

So the problem is this. Find a global coordinate system centered on spaceship "A". Define the position of spaceship "B" relative to these coordinates. Let event "1" be the first meeting of the spaceships, and event "2" be the second. Compute the proper time interval along the path of spaceship "A" and the proper time interval along the path of spaceship "B", in your coordinate system centered on "A", and show that these are equal.

To get you started, here's the Schwarzschild metric for a massive gravitating body, with the [tex]\phi[/tex] angle set to 90 degrees (i.e. equatorial motion):

[tex] ds^2 = ( 1 - r_s / r ) dt^2 - ( 1 - r_s / r )^{-1} dr^2 - r^2 d_\theta^2[/tex]

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, thank you for your post and for bringing up this interesting problem. I am always excited to delve into the complexities of relativity and find solutions to seemingly paradoxical situations.

To begin, let's define our coordinate system centered on spaceship "A" as follows:

- The x-axis points in the direction of motion of spaceship "A"
- The y-axis points perpendicular to the x-axis in the direction of spaceship "B"
- The z-axis points towards the massive body
- The origin of the coordinate system is at the center of spaceship "A"

Now, let's define the position of spaceship "B" relative to these coordinates. Since spaceship "B" is on the same circular orbit as "A" but in the opposite direction, we can define its position as (0, -d, 0), where d is the distance between the two spaceships. This means that at event "1", spaceship "A" is at (0, 0, 0) and spaceship "B" is at (0, -d, 0).

Using the Schwarzschild metric provided, we can calculate the proper time interval along the path of each spaceship. Let's start with spaceship "A". Since it is assumed to be in an inertial frame, we can simplify the metric to:

ds^2 = dt^2 - dr^2 - r^2 d_\theta^2

We can then use the definition of proper time (d\tau = \sqrt{ds^2}) to find the proper time interval along the path of spaceship "A":

d\tau_A = \sqrt{dt^2 - dr^2 - r^2 d_\theta^2} = \sqrt{1 - \frac{r_s}{r}} dt

Now, for spaceship "B", we need to take into account its motion and the time dilation effect. Since it is moving in the opposite direction of spaceship "A", we can define its metric as:

ds^2 = (1 + \frac{v^2}{c^2}) dt^2 - dr^2 - r^2 d_\theta^2

Where v is the velocity of spaceship "B". We can then use the definition of proper time again to find the proper time interval along the path of spaceship "B":

d\tau_B = \sqrt{(1 + \frac{v^2}{c^2}) dt^2 -
 
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: According to the Schwarzschild metric provided, the proper time interval along the path of spaceship "A" can be calculated as follows:

Δt_A = ∫√(1 - r_s/r) dt

And the proper time interval along the path of spaceship "B" can be calculated as:

Δt_B = ∫√(1 - r_s/r) dt

Since both spaceships are on the same circular orbit, their radial distance (r) from the massive body will be the same. Therefore, the only difference between the two equations is the direction of motion, which is accounted for by the negative sign in the dr term.

In the coordinate system centered on spaceship "A", the position of spaceship "B" can be defined as r = constant and θ = π (180 degrees), since they are on the same circular orbit but moving in opposite directions. This means that the radial distance (r) and the angular distance (θ) are fixed for both spaceships.

Plugging in these values, we get:

Δt_A = ∫√(1 - r_s/r) dt = ∫√(1 - r_s/r) dr = √(1 - r_s/r) Δr = √(1 - r_s/r) (r_B - r_A)

And:

Δt_B = ∫√(1 - r_s/r) dt = -∫√(1 - r_s/r) dr = -√(1 - r_s/r) Δr = -√(1 - r_s/r) (r_B - r_A)

Since r_B and r_A are the same for both equations, the only difference is the negative sign in front of Δr for spaceship "B". This negative sign accounts for the opposite direction of motion and ensures that the proper time interval for spaceship "B" is equal to that of spaceship "A".

Therefore, in this coordinate system centered on spaceship "A", the proper time intervals for both spaceships are equal, as expected by symmetry. This also confirms the intuition that in special relativity, the traveling twin experiences time dilation while the stationary twin does not. Thanks to the Schwarzschild metric, we can see that this holds true even in the presence of a massive gravitating body.
 

1. What factors determine the orbits of the two spaceships around a massive body?

The orbits of the two spaceships around a massive body are determined by the mass and gravitational force of the body, as well as the initial velocity and direction of the spaceships.

2. How does the distance between the two spaceships affect their orbits?

The distance between the two spaceships does not affect their individual orbits, but it does affect their relative positions and potential for gravitational interactions.

3. Can the orbits of the two spaceships change over time?

Yes, the orbits of the two spaceships can change over time due to various factors such as gravitational pull from other bodies, atmospheric drag, and propulsion from the spaceships themselves.

4. What would happen if the two spaceships collide while orbiting a massive body?

If the two spaceships were to collide while orbiting a massive body, the resulting impact and destruction could potentially alter the orbits of other nearby objects and disrupt the stability of the overall system.

5. How do scientists calculate the orbits of two spaceships around a massive body?

Scientists use mathematical equations, such as Kepler's laws of planetary motion, to calculate and predict the orbits of two spaceships around a massive body. They also use data from observations and simulations to refine their calculations.

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