Space quantization of electron orbits ?

In summary, the conversation discusses the values of theta that represent the angle between the orbital quantum number (l) and the magnetic field direction. It is stated that these values cannot be pi or 0 degrees as it would result in non-integral values for the magnetic quantum number and the direction of the orbital quantum number and magnetic field would be parallel, leading to a circular orbit which is not possible for a particle under the action of a central force. The speaker questions if their reasoning is correct and someone asks for clarification on some issues, such as the use of the term "elliptical orbits" in the context of quantum theory and the measurement of components of orbital angular momentum. The response explains that it is improper to speak of the direction of
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The values of theta that represent the angle b/w orbital quantum no. (l) & magnetic field direction can never by pi or 0 deg as then the magnetic quantum no . will have non integral values & and also the direction of orbital quantum no . & magnetic field will be parallel which means the electron will have circular orbit which is not possible as a particle under the action of a central force field has elliptical orbit . No cone around the magnetic field will be traced out . Is my reasoning correct ??
 
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Some issues:
Circles are ellipses so I don't understand your argument on that point.

You're talking quantum theory so "elliptical orbits" is also meaningless in this context. The quantum description precludes constantly knowing the exact position over time and saying this follows any specific orbit. [Else you'd also know the momentum or you'd have to make the mass variable and you'd no longer have an "electron".]

You're talking quantum mechanics so it is improper to speak of "the direction of the orbital quantum number [tex]\ell[/tex]" as if it is an observable. You pick a direction to measure and in that direction you measure a component [tex]\ell[/tex]. There is no reason you can't (in principle) decide to measure the component in line with a specific magnetic field. (As a practical matter you usually use magnetic fields to measure this so this is problematic.)

Due to the non-commutativity of distinct components of orbital (or spin) angular momentum you cannot say anything about the other two components once you measure one.

I think what you're getting at is the fact that if you treat the total orbital angular momentum as if it were coming from an orbiting point mass then the component measured in the direct of the magnetic field (or any other one direction) will always be insufficient to account for the total (root sum of square of components). One then reasons that there is some component in the other two cardinal directions contributing to this total. That's OK except that it is improper to speak assuredly about that which fundamentally cannot be observed...most especially in quantum theory.

It's not just that classical point objects have quantized states. They don't have states as such at all but only potential observables not all of which can be made empirically meaningful at the same time.
 

1. What is space quantization of electron orbits?

Space quantization of electron orbits is a principle in quantum mechanics that states that the possible locations of an electron around an atomic nucleus are limited to specific discrete energy levels. This means that the electron can only occupy certain orbits or shells, and not any position in between.

2. How does space quantization affect the behavior of electrons?

Space quantization has a significant impact on the behavior of electrons, as it determines the possible energy levels and therefore the allowed transitions between them. This leads to the unique spectral lines observed in atomic spectra and is essential in understanding chemical bonding and other properties of matter at the atomic level.

3. What is the significance of the term "quantization" in space quantization?

The term "quantization" refers to the fact that the possible energy levels are quantized or discrete, rather than continuous. This is a fundamental concept in quantum mechanics and is a key aspect of understanding the behavior of particles at the atomic and subatomic level.

4. How was space quantization of electron orbits discovered?

The concept of space quantization was first proposed by Danish physicist Niels Bohr in 1913 as part of his atomic model. It was based on the observed spectral lines of hydrogen, which could not be explained by classical physics. Later, through further experimentation and theoretical developments, the concept was refined and became an integral part of quantum mechanics.

5. Can space quantization be observed in everyday life?

No, space quantization is only observable at the atomic level and cannot be seen in everyday life. It is a concept that is used to explain the behavior of particles and atoms, but it does not have any direct impact on our daily experiences. However, many modern technologies, such as transistors and lasers, rely on our understanding of space quantization and quantum mechanics in general.

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