Wrong war, wrong place, wrong time, and Bush's Desert Shield Jr.

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In summary: It was about empire.In summary, Bush's tactics are to use the war as a way to avoid any serious discussion of his decisions. He is using the war as a shield to avoid criticism. He is also using the war to justify his empire.
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Another example of Bush's Catch 22 tactics is a favorite used to justify any war indefinitely: You can't argue against the war without demoralizing the troops. Once a war has begun, forever more those who oppose it in any fashion can be labeled as un-patriotic. This in fact was a favorite tactic used to defend the Vietnam war; until everyone realized that people like Kerry were right.

Kerry has every right to criticize Bush's rush to war. This is a legitimate political issue that certainly has a place in the discussion. Bush is trying to hide behind the war and use it as a shield to avoid serious discussion of his decisions. Maybe we should call his hiding behind the troops Bush's Desert Shield Jr. The reason that he needs to do this is that he made a lot of bad decisions that he would rather not discuss.

Sie sind entweder für uns oder gegen uns

That the war is on is another issue entirely. Now what is needed is intelligent, thoughtful, and skillful leadership; someone who can actually manage this mess. We need John Kerry.
 
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Questions concerning legality of this "War"

Read through this and see if Jr. has a legal foot to stand on:

[URL [Broken]
PUBLIC LAW 107–243—OCT. 16, 2002

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY
FORCE AGAINST IRAQ RESOLUTION OF 2002[/URL]

It seems that he has had a difficult time proving:

1)That there were WMDs

2)That Suddam had any links to 9/11

Will there be legal ramifications considering that these two conditions were not met?

What of the legal standing by UN rules?
 
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Mmmm, methinks you're neglecting some history as to how we began to lose the vietnam war.
 
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kat

Please enlighten me, for my researches have not allowed such privilaged detail to events that I was not cogniscent of as they were happening. Besides, why were we there in the first place and more importantly, who profited?
 
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Support for the war was lost and we got out. Militarily, we fought a limited war plagued by politics. For example, Johnson pulled some real boners! On one occasion he [in a Bush-like manner] announced to the world that we would bomb a certain NV military target. This was a "show of will and force" much like the rhetorical nonsense that we get from Bush. Of course, the enemy had moved the weapons of interest and prepared with anti-aircraft artillery. He sent our boys into a trap because of his big mouth.

In fact we could have won the war in a week were it not for the Soviet and Chinese threats, and the politics. We were never going win because we couldn't risk winning. People like Kerry saw the futility of this; and how the Vietnamese were caught in the middle.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
We were never going win because we couldn't risk winning.

I'm not sure I follow this part. :confused:
 
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The threat of a broader conflict with the other superpowers was too great. Our hands were tied. This is why the war was limited. Surely everyone knows that we could have eliminated N Vietnam from the face of the globe. It was not about winning.
 

1. What is the meaning behind the phrase "Wrong war, wrong place, wrong time"?

The phrase "Wrong war, wrong place, wrong time" is a criticism of the decision to invade Iraq in 2003 by the Bush administration. It suggests that the war was unnecessary, as Iraq was not a direct threat to the United States, and it was the wrong time to engage in a costly and controversial military conflict.

2. Why is the Iraq War often referred to as "Bush's Desert Shield Jr."?

The Iraq War is often referred to as "Bush's Desert Shield Jr." because it was initiated by President George W. Bush, who had previously served as a pilot in the Gulf War (also known as Desert Shield/Desert Storm) under his father, President George H.W. Bush.

3. What were the main reasons for the United States' involvement in the Iraq War?

The main reasons cited for the United States' involvement in the Iraq War were the belief that Saddam Hussein's regime possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) and the belief that Iraq was supporting terrorist groups, including Al-Qaeda. However, these reasons were later found to be based on faulty intelligence and were not proven to be true.

4. What were the consequences of the Iraq War?

The consequences of the Iraq War were far-reaching and continue to impact the region and the world today. The war resulted in the deaths of thousands of American and Iraqi soldiers, as well as civilians. It also led to increased instability in the region, the rise of terrorist organizations, and strained relationships between the United States and other countries.

5. How has the public's perception of the Iraq War changed over time?

The public's perception of the Iraq War has shifted over time. Initially, there was widespread support for the invasion, but as the war dragged on and evidence of faulty intelligence and mismanagement emerged, public opinion turned against it. Today, many view the Iraq War as a costly and unnecessary mistake.

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