Is a convex subset of a connected space connected?

In summary, the conversation discussed the question of whether a subset of a topological space with an order topology is connected if the original space is connected and the subset is convex. It was mentioned that this can be proven by first showing that every bounded set has a least upper bound, and then proving that all intervals are connected. It was also noted that the converse of this statement is a theorem in Munkres.
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It seems like something that could (should?) be true, but with topology you never know (unless you prove it...).

EDIT: I'll be more exact: let [itex](X,\mathcal T)[/itex] be a topological space with X a totally ordered set and [itex]\mathcal T[/itex] the order topology. Say X is connected and [itex]A \subset X[/itex] is convex (i.e. [itex]\forall a,b \in A: a < b \Rightarrow [a,b] \subset A[/itex]). Is A connected?
 
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Let X be an ordered set equiped with the order topology. If X is connected, then you can show that

1) Every set that is bounded from above has a least upper bound
2) If x<y, then there is a z such that x<z<y.

Try to prove this.

Then you can prove that all intervals are connected just as you prove this with [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex].
 
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For future reference:

1) Let A be a subset of X bounded from above but without least upper bound, then define the non-trivial subset B as the set of all upper bounds.
B is closed: take a [itex]b \in \overline B[/itex], and suppose there is an [itex]a \in A[/itex] with b < a, then [itex]]- \infty, a[[/itex] is an open around b that does not intersect B. Contradiction, hence b is an upper bound of A.
B is open: take a [itex]b\in B[/itex], since b is not the smallest upper bound, there is a [itex]\beta \in B[/itex] with [itex]\beta < b[/itex], hence [itex]b \in ]\beta,+ \infty[ \subset B[/itex].
Contradiction.

2) Quite obvious indeed :) otherwise one can construct a separation of X.

By golly you're right. As you probably know, the converse is a theorem in Munkres (section 24), but I hadn't realized it was a characterization. So every connected order topology corresponds to a linear continuum. Nice to know! Thanks :)
 

1. What is a convex subset of a connected space?

A convex subset of a connected space is a subset of a space that contains all the points on a line connecting any two points within the subset.

2. How is a convex subset different from a connected space?

A convex subset is a subset of a connected space, meaning it shares the same properties of connectedness, but it also has the additional property of convexity.

3. Why is it important to determine if a convex subset of a connected space is connected?

It is important because it helps in understanding the topological structure of a space and can be used to prove or disprove mathematical theorems.

4. Are all convex subsets of a connected space connected?

No, not all convex subsets of a connected space are connected. For example, a crescent-shaped subset of a connected space is convex but not connected.

5. How can one prove that a convex subset of a connected space is connected?

One can prove that a convex subset of a connected space is connected by showing that any two points in the subset can be connected by a continuous path that lies entirely within the subset.

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