More than N Solutions to Nth Order DE?

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In summary, when considering a differential equation, the number of non-trivial solutions depends on the order of the equation. For linear equations, the number of solutions is equal to the order of the equation. However, for non-linear equations, there can be singular solutions that do not fit the general pattern of families of solutions. These singular solutions can exist when the equation does not specify unique derivatives at certain points.
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like for example if we had a 2nd order differential equation
is it possible that we can have more than 2 non-trivial solutions to it?

same question applies to 1st order,.......Nth order

is it always the case that we get the number of solutions same as the order of the equation?

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This is true if the differential equation is linear. In this case you are looking for solutions of the nullspace, which whose dimension equals the order of the ODE. It's really a neat application of linear algebra.
 
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Hi cocopops.

Well, in general the solution to an nth order differential equation is an n-parameter family of functions. For example, y'=y, the solution is y=ce^x. c is the 1 parameter.

If y''+y=0, then y= a cos(x) + b sin(x), a,b are the parameters. There are an infinite number of solutions but you can specify one of them with two numbers.

If you are talking about linear equations, then an nth order equation will have solutions "generated" by n independents solutions. Like sin(x), cos(x) in the above example. But this feature is special to linear equations and is not true for other equations.

There are other technicalities. For example y'=y^(1/3) has the one parameter family of solutions
y= [(2/3)( x - a)]^(3/2)
But it also has y=0 as an "extra" solution. (more precisely, when the initial value of the function is y=0, then there is more than one solution).
 
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Yes, some differential equations have "singular solutions" that don't fit the general pattern of famiilies of solutions containing arbitary constants.

The basic requirement for these to exist is that the DE does not specify unique derivative(s) at every point ##x_1, x_2, \dots x_n, y##. A common reason for this is that some functions in the DE are zero for some particular values.

Take for example an equation of the form f(x,y)dy/dx + g(x,y) = 0. If there is a point (x,y) where f(x,y) = 0 and g(x,y) = 0, at that point dy/dx can take any value and there is the possibility that singular solutiosn exist passing through that point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_solution
 
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I can say that the number of solutions to a differential equation is not always equal to the order of the equation. In fact, there can be infinitely many solutions to a single Nth order differential equation. This is because differential equations involve derivatives, which can have an infinite number of possible values at any given point. Therefore, even for a simple 2nd order differential equation, it is possible to have more than two non-trivial solutions.

The same applies to 1st order and Nth order differential equations. The number of solutions is not limited by the order of the equation. However, it is important to note that not all of these solutions may be physically meaningful or relevant to the problem being studied.

In some cases, the number of solutions may be equal to the order of the equation, but this is not always the case. It depends on the specific equation and the boundary conditions that are applied. In summary, the number of solutions to a differential equation is not always predictable and can vary depending on the specific problem being studied.
 

1. What is the significance of having more than N solutions to an Nth order differential equation?

Having more than N solutions to an Nth order differential equation indicates that the equation is not uniquely determined. In other words, there are multiple solutions that satisfy the equation, making it more complex and requiring further analysis.

2. How can we determine if an Nth order differential equation has more than N solutions?

One way to determine if an Nth order differential equation has more than N solutions is by using the Existence and Uniqueness Theorem. This theorem states that if the equation is linear and has continuous coefficients, then the number of solutions will be equal to the order of the equation. If the coefficients are not continuous, there is a possibility of having more than N solutions.

3. Can a differential equation have an infinite number of solutions?

Yes, it is possible for a differential equation to have an infinite number of solutions. This can occur when the equation is nonlinear and has multiple initial conditions. In this case, the solution can take on different forms depending on the initial conditions, resulting in an infinite number of solutions.

4. How do we find the most general solution to an Nth order differential equation with more than N solutions?

In order to find the most general solution, we must first find the specific solutions that satisfy the equation. Then, we can combine these solutions using the principle of superposition to obtain the most general solution. This involves adding together the specific solutions with arbitrary constants to account for the different solutions.

5. Are there any real-world applications of differential equations with more than N solutions?

Yes, there are many real-world applications of differential equations with more than N solutions. These include modeling population growth, chemical reactions, and electrical circuits. In these scenarios, having more than N solutions can provide a more accurate representation of the system and its behavior.

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