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It is hard...
3trQN said:It is hard...
Anttech said:I always think of great Mathematicians as *geniuses* and physicians as standing on the shoulders of Geniuses :)
Anttech said:I always think of great Mathematicians as *geniuses* and physicians as standing on the shoulders of Geniuses :)
JasonRox said:That makes no sense at all.
jimmysnyder said:Physics is very hard for me in part because I am no genius. Among the people who say that I am a genius because I carry a physics book around with me, it seems there are some who have no clue whether physics is easy or hard. I wonder if they have ever applied themselves to any hard thing in their lives.
Yes. Physics is one of the hardest things out there. So is English Lit. Yet you need not be a genius to read a book.JasonRox said:But now you yourself is saying Physics is like one the hardest things out there.
Is it really?
jimmysnyder said:Yes. Physics is one of the hardest things out there. So is English Lit. Yet you need not be a genius to read a book.
complexPHILOSOPHY said:What exactly would you say is harder than physics and/or mathematics? I have read through lots of different undergraduate texts (to construct a perspective of how difficult all of the majors are at my university) and the only texts that I open up and immediately go wtf, are high level chemistry, math and physics.
I can understand neuroscience, psychology, philosophy, biology, etc. without any problems at all. All I have to do is read through the chapters, make sure I understand the operational definitions and that's about it.
I have to spend hours and hours learning the mathematics and then learning how it relates to physics. I know that I am not a genius.
I am just curious what you think?
complexPHILOSOPHY said:I can understand neuroscience, psychology, philosophy, biology, etc. without any problems at all. All I have to do is read through the chapters, make sure I understand the operational definitions and that's about it.
What were Newton and Schrodinger then? The best physisists are often the best mathemeticians as well. Considering the nature of advanced physics I doubt you'll get far without being at least competent at maths.Anttech said:I always think of great Mathematicians as *geniuses* and physicians as standing on the shoulders of Geniuses :)
Schrodinger's Dog said:if you look at testing: physics tops the academic performance ladder beating Engineering and maths into second and third place. So the brightest really do go into physics.
Alkatran said:High school physics was one of my easiest classes. Not only did I 'get' it, the teacher spent the majority of class time talking about his financial ideas instead of physics.
pivoxa15 said:What do you mean by testing? What is the academic performance ladder? Is that a ranking between the students of the discipline or the professors? Can you provide evidence for it?
pivoxa15 said:What do you mean by testing? What is the academic performance ladder? Is that a ranking between the students of the discipline or the professors? Can you provide evidence for it?
cristo said:How are you defining "theoretical physics"? As far as I'm aware, a lot of theoretical physics is rather abstract!
pivoxa15 said:I still think the best pure maths grad students are intellectually superior to the corresponding brilliant theoretical physics students. Maybe the tests are better adapated to people who have done a lot of physics than someone who has done only a lot of extremely abstract stuff.
Maybe you could try a hyperthetical experiment pay the best pure maths and theoretical physics academics 2 times as much salary for a year and get them to do the opposite work. Maths academics do physics and vice versa. At the end of the year you might find that the maths academics have accomplished more than their physics collegues doing maths. That is what I think anyway. One reason is that it's simply easier to learn physics than abstract maths. Although don't get me wrong, I think the 'real world' is extremely complicated but in physics they build models which is not as hard to understand as rigorous maths although a bit of creativity is needed to create these models.
pivoxa15 said:I still think the best pure maths grad students are intellectually superior to the corresponding brilliant theoretical physics students. Maybe the tests are better adapated to people who have done a lot of physics than someone who has done only a lot of extremely abstract stuff.
Maybe you could try a hyperthetical experiment pay the best pure maths and theoretical physics academics 2 times as much salary for a year and get them to do the opposite work. Maths academics do physics and vice versa. At the end of the year you might find that the maths academics have accomplished more than their physics collegues doing maths. That is what I think anyway. One reason is that it's simply easier to learn physics than abstract maths. Although don't get me wrong, I think the 'real world' is extremely complicated but in physics they build models which is not as hard to understand as rigorous maths although a bit of creativity is needed to create these models.
pivoxa15 said:Perhaps I said too much in my last post. I am studying both physics and maths and think they are both very challenging with maths even more. The main point I wanted to get across in my last post was "Maybe the tests are better suited to people who have done a lot of physics than someone who has done only a lot of extremely abstract stuff with no realtion to the external world."
Schrodinger's Dog, if you can't find the results could you find the test itself?
What do you base that on?pivoxa15 said:I still think the best pure maths grad students are intellectually superior to the corresponding brilliant theoretical physics students.
Physics is often considered a difficult subject because it involves complex mathematical concepts and abstract theories that can be challenging to understand. Additionally, physics requires a strong foundation in mathematics and problem-solving skills, which can take time and effort to develop.
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