Simple coordinate transformation question

In summary, the correct formula for transforming coordinates from the original (white) coordinate system to the new (red) coordinate system is y= -z' sin(\phi)+ y' cos(\phi) and z= z' cos(\phi)+ y' sin(\phi). This is because y' and z' depend on both y and z, and y and z depend on both y' and z'. By dropping perpendiculars and using trigonometric functions, these equations can be derived and applied to any point in the plane. Additionally, the opposite of rotating through an angle \phi is rotating through an angle -\phi, which can be used to simplify the equations.
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if i have my original coordinate (white) and i am transforming this into the red coord. , could someone explain to me why y=y'cos[itex]\phi[/itex] is incorrect and why y'=ycos[itex]\phi[/itex] is correct?
 
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Neither of those is correct unless you are just giving part of the formula- in which case both are correct! y' depends on both y and z and y depends on both y' and z'.

Given any point in the plane, drop perpendiculars from the point to the y and y' axes. The angle at the point is [itex]\phi[/itex], the distance from the point to the foot of the perpendicular to the y' axis is z' and the distance from the point to the foot of the perpendicular to the y-axis is z. Similarly, the distance from the origin to the foot of the perpendicular to the y-axis is y and the distance from the origin to the foot of the perpendicular to the y'- axis is y'.

The distance from the foot of the y-axis to the intersection of that perpendicular is [itex]y tan(\phi)[/itex]. The length of the rest of that perpendicular is the hypotenuse of that right triangle and so is [itex]\frac{z'}{cos(\phi)}[/itex]. Then [itex]z= y tan(\phi)+ \frac{z'}{cos(\phi)}[/itex]. Multiply both sides by [itex]cos(\phi)[/itex] to get [itex]z cos(\phi)= y sin(\phi)+ z'[/itex] so that [itex]z'= z cos(\phi)- y sin(\phi)[/itex]. Similarly, [itex]y'= z sin(\phi)+ y cos(\phi)[/itex].

You can solve those two equations for y and z or simply replace [itex]\phi[/itex] with [itex]-\phi[/itex] (the opposite of "rotating through angle [itex]\phi[/itex]" is "rotating through angle [itex]-\phi[/itex]"). Since [itex]sin(-\phi)= -sin(\phi)[/itex] and [itex]cos(-\phi)= cos(\phi)[/itex] we can just change the sign in front of the sines: [itex]y= -z' sin(\phi)+ y' cos(\phi)[/itex] and [itex]z= z' cos(\phi)+ y' sin(\phi)[/itex].
 
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1. What is a coordinate transformation?

A coordinate transformation is a mathematical method used to convert coordinates from one coordinate system to another. This allows for a representation of the same point in space to be described using different coordinate values.

2. Why is coordinate transformation important?

Coordinate transformation is important in many scientific fields, including geography, cartography, physics, and engineering. It allows for the comparison and integration of data from different coordinate systems, making it easier to analyze and understand the relationships between different data sets.

3. What are the different types of coordinate transformations?

There are several types of coordinate transformations, including translation, rotation, scaling, and projection. Translation involves shifting the coordinates along a specific axis, while rotation involves rotating the coordinates around a specific point. Scaling involves changing the scale of the coordinates, and projection involves converting coordinates from a three-dimensional space to a two-dimensional plane.

4. How are coordinates transformed?

Coordinates are transformed using mathematical formulas and algorithms based on the type of transformation needed. These formulas take into account the relationships between the different coordinate systems and use them to convert the values from one system to another.

5. What are some common applications of coordinate transformation?

Coordinate transformation is used in many applications, such as creating maps, navigation systems, satellite imagery, and geographic information systems (GIS). It is also used in various fields of study, including astronomy, geology, and meteorology, to analyze and interpret data from different sources.

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