Is there a direct magnetic interaction between two electrons?

In summary, spin orbit coupling is a phenomenon that accounts for the relative motion of a magnetic moment interacting with an electric field. This coupling also exists between the magnetic moments of electrons in an atom, as well as between other particles with magnetic moments. This spin-spin interaction energy can affect hyperfine splitting in atoms and is important for particles such as quarks in baryons. In atoms, we typically talk about coupling of angular momentum rather than magnetic interaction between electrons, but the effects are not always separable and can be described using angular momentum coupling rules. Ultimately, the magnetic dipole of an atom can be determined from the total angular momentum quantum number, taking into account the angular momentum coupling according to the Lande g-factor. The behavior of charged
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Spin orbit coupling accounts for the relative motion of a magnetic moment interacting with an electric field.

Is there a direct coupling of the magnetic moments of, say, the electrons in an atom as well? Does a magnetic field emanate from spin 1/2 particles in general?

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I believe there is, just like hyperfine structure involves spin-spin interaction of electron and nucleus, but I have not seen any calculations on spin-spin interaction between eletrons in textbooks.
 
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Any particles with magnetic moments, including electrons have a spin.spin interaction energy. It could occur for electrons in atoms, and is important for quarks in baryons. Hyperfine splitting in atoms is affected by the spin.spin interaction of the nucleus and an orbiting electron.
 
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Typically, for electrons in atoms, we talk about coupling of angular momentum (e.g. spin orbit coupling), rather than magnetic interaction, between electrons. However the effects are not really separable .. part of the magnetic moment of the electrons in atoms arises from their intrinsic angular momentum in the first place.

For multi-electron atoms, you can use angular momentum coupling rules to come up with term symbols for the electronic states. These term symbols use angular momentum coupling rules to associate angular momentum quantum numbers for the total angular momentum, orbital angular momentum, and spin angular momentum of the overall electronic wavefunction. The total angular momentum (quantum number J), is always a good quantum number (neglecting the nuclear hyperfine interaction), but the orbital angular momentum quantum number (L) and spin angular momentum quantum number (S), are only approximately good (at best). By the way, a "good" quantum number is one corresponding to an operator that commutes with the Hamiltonian ... an "approximately good" quantum number corresponds to an operator that does not strictly commute with the Hamiltonian, but where the coupling is small compared to the energy level spacing. If the spin-orbit interaction is particularly large, it doesn't even make sense to talk about overall orbital angular momentum (L) and overall spin angular momentum (S) any more. Rather, it is more appropriate to couple the orbital (l) and spin (s) angular momenta to obtain a total angular momentum (j) for each individual electron, and then treat the coupling of these angular momenta to obtain the overall total angular momentum (J). This scheme is called j-j coupling.

Anyway, the point of all of this is that the magnetic dipole of an atom can be determined from the total angular momentum quantum number, taking into account the angular momentum coupling according to the Lande g-factor.

The wikipedia pages on this stuff are pretty good. If you are interested, you might want to look at the ones on the electron magnetic dipole moment, Term symbols, and angular momentum coupling to start.
 
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not if you could get to absalute zero and stop the spin of the electron at atomic level all magnetic fields would not exist.
 
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As a side question: doesn't it depend on frame of reference? For two electrons in rest, there is only electrostatic repell between them. But if we change our frame so that they start moving, they will produce electric current and thus magnetic attraction.

Someone here said some time ago, that photons and gauge bosons in general are not frame-independent, but obey gauge symmetries. So I can believe that there are photons in one frame and not in the other, but I still have problems understanding it.
 
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haael said:
For two electrons in rest, there is only electrostatic repell between them.

I don't think this is completely correct .. the electrons will still have a magnetic interaction through their spins, even when at rest. A two electron state will always have a total spin of 0 (antiparallel spins) or 1 (parallel spins), and these two spin cases will be non-degenerate, as far as I know.
 
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I don't think this is completely correct .. the electrons will still have a magnetic interaction through their spins, even when at rest.
That's not the point. Let's consider 2 charged 0-spin particles then. When at rest, they repell each other. When moving (or rather, when we change the viewpoint to a moving frame), their trajectories get curved in each other's magnetic field, so attractive force appears. If we switch to a frame moving fast enough, the attraction will balace with the repell, or even overcome it.

So we can have attracting or repelling particles depending on the frame we choose. I completely miss something here.
 
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haael said:
That's not the point. Let's consider 2 charged 0-spin particles then.

That is not possible either ... all charged particles have non-zero spin as far as I know.

When at rest, they repell each other. When moving (or rather, when we change the viewpoint to a moving frame), their trajectories get curved in each other's magnetic field, so attractive force appears. If we switch to a frame moving fast enough, the attraction will balace with the repell, or even overcome it.

So we can have attracting or repelling particles depending on the frame we choose. I completely miss something here.

I am sorry that I don't know the answer to your question .. I am not familiar enough with relativistic effects in quantum mechanics to give a sensible answer. My guess is that the spin-spin interaction may be an important component to the answer however, since the spins are a manifestation of the full relativistic treatment of quantum fields, if I recall correctly.
 
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Wonderbread said:
not if you could get to absalute zero and stop the spin of the electron at atomic level all magnetic fields would not exist.
No, the electron magnetic moment and its spin do not depend on temperature.
Nothing can stop it spin.
 
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SpectraCat said:
That is not possible either ... all charged particles have non-zero spin as far as I know.
Charged pions have zero spin.
 
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clem said:
Charged pions have zero spin.

You are right .. I wasn't thinking of mesons when I wrote that (or even of bosons at all). I suppose the charged rho mesons would also be examples of charged particles with zero spin.

Has anyone studied the interactions of charged, spin-zero mesons? Do they even exist long enough for such studies to be undertaken? I guess there would be no Pauli-principle for such particles (since they are bosons). In fact, I guess in principle you could even have a BEC of charged mesons, if they hung around long enough to be cooled and trapped.

Ok .. I will shut up now .. the water is way deeper than my head and there may be sharks coming :wink:
 
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haael said:
Let's consider 2 charged 0-spin particles then. When at rest, they repell each other. When moving (or rather, when we change the viewpoint to a moving frame), their trajectories get curved in each other's magnetic field, so attractive force appears. If we switch to a frame moving fast enough, the attraction will balace with the repell, or even overcome it.
So we can have attracting or repelling particles depending on the frame we choose. I completely miss something here.
You are missing something. The force between two spin zero particles of equal charge does vary with frame, but it is always repulsive.
 

1. What is a direct magnetic interaction between two electrons?

A direct magnetic interaction between two electrons refers to the force exerted between two electrons due to their magnetic fields. This force is caused by the movement of charged particles, such as electrons, which creates a magnetic field around them.

2. How does a direct magnetic interaction between two electrons occur?

A direct magnetic interaction between two electrons occurs when the magnetic fields of the two electrons interact with each other. This can happen when two electrons are in close proximity to each other or when they are moving in the same direction.

3. Is a direct magnetic interaction between two electrons a strong force?

No, a direct magnetic interaction between two electrons is a relatively weak force compared to other types of interactions, such as the electric force. This is because the magnetic field of an electron is much weaker than its electric field.

4. Can a direct magnetic interaction between two electrons be observed?

Yes, a direct magnetic interaction between two electrons can be observed in certain situations, such as in the behavior of particles in a magnetic field. However, it is not directly visible to the naked eye.

5. How does a direct magnetic interaction between two electrons affect their motion?

A direct magnetic interaction between two electrons can affect their motion by either attracting or repelling them, depending on the orientation of their magnetic fields. This can cause the electrons to change their direction or speed, resulting in changes in their overall motion.

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