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Is is possible to quantify how much "space" a human brain has? Kind of like in terms of hard-drive space?
I am sure this depends on the person.
I am sure this depends on the person.
confused2008 said:Some people with photographic memory must have huge brain capacity because of the resolution of the images they have so as a stab in the dark it could be as much as hundreds of thousands of terrabytes.
The Dagda said:To be frank the brain is so mysterious atm that the answer to the OPs in anything more than a totally speculative manner is little more than a fairy tale based on what if they could be compared. They can't and there is no possibility of us ever running out of space, as the brains hardware is dynamic, unlike a PC's which has to be updated every 5 years or so. If you are talking about brute forcing information into the brain by some odd means all in one go, then it's anyones guess how many terabytes you could get in before you turned the person into a gibbering mental patient.
confused2008 said:I did not in my original post mean to offend anyone. I understand the workings of the mind and memory. I was just offering an educated guess. In reference to the above quote I myself suffered a mild stroke a few years ago and have relapses in my memory. I have had bad episodes which turn me into a "gibbering mental patient" but afterward i have drawn stuff that looks like it came out of a encyclopedia. So before I could have been brute forcing information into my brain which could be thousands apon thousands of terabytes if for example you looked at a brain as a computer.
confused2008 said:Ok ok you got me.
(holds up hands and surrenders)
But as a last point it does make you curious about those movies when a person' brain is downloaded into a computer.
I do understand that it is fiction and this is a place not to be discussing fiction just fact.
Like a computer when it needs to defrag. LOLThe Dagda said:Not at all, you just have to be careful to distinguish what is fiction and what is fact. If you had to have physical proof for everything then the beyond the standard model area of the forum wouldn't exist I suspect. It's fine to speculate, in SG1 for example Colonel O'niel has the knowledge of the ancients downloaded into his brain, from which he is able to construct a gate to another galaxy and save humanity with some fancy electronics. Problem is the information is so vast, it leaves no room for anything else, so he goes slowly ancient and slowly his mind begins to break down.
The Dagda said:No one disputes that you could find it in theory, the problem is without knowing how the hardware works, how could you possibly guess?
Proton Soup said:i searched for a while, but didn't find the answer to the data storage capacity of the brain. but if you look under information theory, there is a bit of research into channel capacity of input/output nerves of the brain. some things are kind of low, like a paper estimating the data output capacity of the hand at around 150 bits/sec.
I mean total capacity. So not only long term memory, but short. There must be a finite maximum amount of memory able to be used. Just like buffer memory.Cincinnatus said:You do experiments! You can have people memorize lists, learn skills, recall experiences etc. You can measure their performance on all of these. The question "what is the information capacity of the brain" is not the question you mean to ask. What you want to know is: "how many things can be held in long term memory?" This is a question that is amenable to psychological experimentation.
Winzer said:I mean total capacity. So not only long term memory, but short. There must be a finite maximum amount of memory able to be used. Just like buffer memory.
A good question. But what about a fully developed brain(this is supposed to be around 25, don't quote me on this though)?The Dagda said:Is there or is it dynamic? After all what is the brain capacity of a neonate? Now a teenager? And Adult? Isn't the hardware being constantly added to, unlike a computer which tends to remain static unless you plug something in.
Winzer said:Is is possible to quantify how much "space" a human brain has? Kind of like in terms of hard-drive space?
I am sure this depends on the person.
Raizy said:This is kinda off topic, but if our brains are so great why do we always have to study to retain information? I just learned the next section from my math textbook yesterday, and if I don't review within the next couple of days that stuff is *poof*.
jwlm88 said:In my opinion information that is unused is erased. The structure of the brain is elastic so that it can change into new... for a lack of a better word "form". Someone jokingly talked about "Defraging" your brain. That is exactly why the brain is so elastic. Humans have large wrinkly brains to store massive if not infinite amounts of data. However, such data would be catagarize by the amount of times the data is accessed giving the used data preference over unused data. Therefore unused memories such as early childhood or what you ate for lunch a week ago Friday is deleted. That is my personal theory.
jsgruszynski said:These kind of number has no meaning as several people have pointed out.
Here's a human specification that completely flummoxes these comparisons or metrics:
The maximum information and data rate of the human retina is 500 Kbits/second for B&W and 600 Kbits/second for color.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retina#Physiology (see end of section)
This is due to the fact that 1) the retina detects only contrasts in space and time - it's been found to be a neural net that performs entropy filtering - and only the filtered result is sent to the optic nerve, 2) the high resolution portion of the eye is the fovea which is a very small portion of the retinal area, and 3) the entire "field" of vision is collected by scanning the fovea over the field of view by fixational and saccadic movement that collects only a portion at a time and thus the "full visual field" information rate is even slower than the above numbers! The brain patches these together to give the illusion of a full field of view. In short, most of the information that hits the retina as light is simply thrown away - to the tune of 99.9% or more.
To put this in perspective, the worst web cams have far higher performance than this:
640x480x30fps = 9.12 Mbits/second for B&W and 3x this number for color or 100x higher data rate. This is a sucky web cam.
This suggests the entire mechanism of computing by the human brain is completely and utterly different from a computer.
In fact, we all live a fraction of a second in the past from reality because of this low information rate - whatever you see in any given moment actually happened a second ago and it's only catching up to your consciousness right now when you notice it.
There are cognitive theories that say that what we see is simply an internally created simulation that is corrected by low-information-rate hints from our eyes. Learning how to draw or paint involves learning ways to override these simulations so you can "see" and draw what you are actually seeing rather than what your brain simulates as the objects it has recognized. Learning to be truly "scientific" in the use of empirical reality is much the same.
Blenton said:Or it could suggest that we have a far, far superior form of image compression since our brains only receive a relatively low amount of data compared to our digital equivalents. I don't know about you but my eyes receive much more detailed images than any camera can capture.
The idea that we only use 10% of our brain is a common myth. In reality, we use all parts of our brain, although some areas may be more active than others depending on the task at hand.
While there is no definitive answer, current research suggests that the human brain has a capacity of around 2.5 petabytes, which is equivalent to 2.5 million gigabytes. However, this capacity may vary from person to person and can also be influenced by factors such as age and genetics.
Yes, it is possible to increase our brain capacity through activities such as learning new skills, challenging our brains with puzzles and games, and maintaining a healthy lifestyle. These activities can help create new neural connections and improve overall brain function.
Currently, there is no direct way to measure a person's brain capacity. Brain imaging techniques such as MRI and PET scans can provide information about brain structure and activity, but they do not directly measure brain capacity. Some cognitive tests may also provide an estimate of a person's brain capacity, but these are not definitive measures.
Brain capacity is just one factor that can contribute to intelligence. Other factors such as genetics, environment, and education also play a role. While a larger brain may provide more potential for intelligence, it is not a guarantee and how a person uses their brain is ultimately more important.