Radial Equation for Two-Body Central Forces

In summary, the conversation discusses the two different methods for finding the radial equation in a Lagrangian system. The first method involves substituting the angular momentum piece into the Lagrangian, while the second method involves finding the Euler-Lagrange equation for r and then substituting the angular momentum piece into it. Both methods result in different radial equations, with one having a positive "centrifugal term" and the other having a negative one. The correct equation is the second one, as it takes into account the constant value of phi in the solution.
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I'm getting two different radial equations depending on when I plug in the angular momentum piece. Here's the Lagrangian:

[tex]L = \frac{1}{2} \mu (\dot{r}^2 + r^2 \dot{\phi}^2) - U(r)[/tex]

The Euler-Lagrange equation for phi gives angular momentum (conserved), which can be solved for [tex]\dot{\phi}[/tex]:

[tex] \dot{\phi} = \frac{l}{\mu r^2} [/tex]

Now, let's find the radial equation (that is, the Euler-Lagrange equation for r):

Method 1: Substitute angular momentum piece into Lagrangian, then find the Euler-Lagrange equation for r.

[tex]L = \frac{1}{2} \mu \dot{r}^2 + \frac{l^2}{2 \mu r^2} - U(r)[/tex]

[tex] \mu \ddot{r} = \frac{-l^2}{\mu r^3} - \frac{dU}{dr} [/tex]

Method 2: Find the Euler-Lagrange equation for r, then substitute angular momentum piece into the radial equation.

[tex] \mu \ddot{r} = \mu r \dot{\phi}^2 - \frac{dU}{dr} [/tex]

[tex] \mu \ddot{r} = \frac{l^2}{\mu r^3} - \frac{dU}{dr} [/tex]

These two radial equations have opposite signs for the "centrifugal term." Which is correct, and why is the other wrong?
 
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Remember that when you solved for [tex] \dot{\phi} [/tex], you held r constant. Similarly, [tex] \phi [/tex] should be held constant when you solve for the radial equation.
 

1. What is the Radial Equation for Two-Body Central Forces?

The Radial Equation for Two-Body Central Forces is a mathematical equation used to describe the motion of two bodies that interact with each other through a central force, such as gravity or Coulomb's law. It is a second-order differential equation that relates the radial distance between the two bodies and the forces acting on them.

2. How is the Radial Equation for Two-Body Central Forces derived?

The Radial Equation is derived from Newton's second law of motion, which states that the force acting on an object is equal to the mass of the object multiplied by its acceleration. By applying this law to the motion of two bodies under a central force, we can derive the Radial Equation.

3. What is the significance of the Radial Equation for Two-Body Central Forces?

The Radial Equation is significant because it allows us to predict the trajectory and behavior of two interacting bodies under a central force. It is used in many fields, including astrophysics, to study the motion of celestial bodies, as well as in chemistry and physics to model the behavior of particles and atoms.

4. What are the assumptions made in the Radial Equation for Two-Body Central Forces?

The Radial Equation makes several assumptions, including that the two bodies are point masses, that the central force is the only force acting on them, and that the force is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the bodies. It also assumes that the motion is taking place in a vacuum with no external influences.

5. Can the Radial Equation for Two-Body Central Forces be solved analytically?

In some cases, the Radial Equation can be solved analytically, meaning an exact solution can be obtained. However, in many cases, it is not possible to find an analytical solution, and numerical methods must be used. These methods involve approximating the solution through a series of calculations and are often used in computer simulations.

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