Black Holes and Thermodynamics: Exploring Entropy and the Second Law"

In summary, the area of a black hole increases as it gains mass, which means the entropy also increases in accordance with the second law of thermodynamics. However, when considering an ideal gas in curved spacetime, the entropy decreases as the volume decreases. This is due to the increase in thermal energy which compensates for the loss of volume. This shows that the second law of thermodynamics may need to be modified in the context of curved spacetime.
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I read in a book that since the area of a black hole increases, the entropy increases, so black holes are consistent w/ the second law of thermodynamics.

So...I have a really stupid question on black holes and the second law of thermodynamics: Consider an ideal gas of non-interacting particles that is spherical in shape. According to GR, once it contracts to less than r=2M (M is the mass), it will get smaller and smaller. However, the entropy of this ideal gas is, of course:

S~log(V)+(terms involving energy)

Where V is the volume. So...wouldn't this mean that the entropy decreases? Or is there some sort of extra energy added to the system to "make up" for the loss of entropy resulting from decreasing volume? Is there some sort of modification in curved spacetime to the equation above to make it OK? Is there a modified version of the second law?

Sorry, this is a really dumb question, I realize.
 
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It's not a dumb question at all.
The entropy of an ideal gas is related to the product of the volume and temperature, by:
[itex]S \propto \textrm{ln}(V T^a)[/itex]
for some power 'a'.

When a gas compresses, what happens to the temperature?
 
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Oh, so the thermal energy increases and "makes up" for the loss of volume?
 
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Exactly!
 
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All right, thank you!
 

What is a black hole?

A black hole is a region in space where the gravitational pull is so strong that nothing, including light, can escape from it. This creates a singularity, or a point of infinite density, at the center of the black hole.

How do black holes form?

Black holes are formed when a massive star runs out of fuel and collapses under its own gravity. As the star collapses, it becomes denser and the gravitational pull becomes stronger, eventually forming a black hole.

What is thermodynamics?

Thermodynamics is the branch of physics that deals with the relationships between heat, energy, and work. It studies how energy is transferred and transformed in different systems and how these processes affect the behavior of matter.

What is the relationship between black holes and thermodynamics?

The study of black holes and thermodynamics is closely related as black holes are governed by the laws of thermodynamics. For example, a black hole has a temperature and entropy, and it can also gain or lose energy through various processes.

Can anything escape from a black hole?

Once something crosses the event horizon, the point of no return, of a black hole, it cannot escape. This is because the escape velocity from a black hole is greater than the speed of light, making it impossible for anything to escape, including light.

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