Partial DIfferential Equations

In summary, The problem is that the t part of the differential equation is incorrect, and the solution is C1 = C2 = 0 if lambda is imaginary.
  • #1
stunner5000pt
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Solve using separation of variables and find particular solution
[tex] \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial t^2} - \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x^2} - u = 0 \ for\ 0 <x<1, t >0 [/tex]
[tex] \frac{\partial u}{\partial t} (x,0) = 0 [/tex]
[tex] 0,t) = u(1,t) = 0 [/tex]
to assume u(x,t) = X(x) T(t)
then [tex] \frac{X''}{X} = \frac{T'' - T}{T} = \lambda [/tex]
solving for X(x) yields [tex] X(x) = C_{1} \cos{\sqrt{\lambda} x} + C_{2} \sin{\sqrt{\lambda} x} [/tex]
and i get C1 = 0 and C2 assumed to be 1 and [itex] \lambda = \sqrt{n \pi} [/itex]
now for T(t),
[tex] T'' - (1 + n^2 pi^2) T = 0 [/tex]
now here is where i am stuck...
is the answer just the
[tex] C_{1} \cos{\sqrt{1 + n^2 \pi^2} t}+ C_{2} \sin{\sqrt{1 + n^2 \pi^2} t} [/tex]
i'm not quite sure what to do after this
the answer in my book is [tex] \cos{\sqrt{n^2 \pi^2 -1}} t} \sin (n \pi x) [/tex]
i got the x part right... but what about the t part
 
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  • #2
Hi stunner5000pt,

Sorry, I got all confused there, and I read your differential equation backwards. Your problem is simply that [tex] \lambda < 0 [/tex] in order to obtain sines and cosines and meet the boundary condition for the x part. In reality, you should have [tex] - \lambda = n^2 \pi^2 [/tex] and not [tex] \lambda = n^2 \pi^2 [/tex].

Once you have solved the t part, apply the boundary condition you haven't used yet.
 
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  • #3
the DE is
[tex] \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial t^2} - \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x^2} - u = 0 [/tex]

2 negative signs

what is wrong with the equation?
 
  • #4
Yeah, my fault, I read it as
[tex]
\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x^2} - \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial t^2} - u = 0,
[/tex]
and then realized my mistake as I was thinking about the solution.
 
  • #5
uh.. the t part was the part at which i was stuck.

the condition given is [tex] \frac{\partial u}{\partial t} (x,0) = 0 [/tex]
im not quite sure howto relate this to what i have already...
 
  • #6
First, as I said, your general solution to the t part in your first post is incorrect, it should be
[tex]
T(t) = C_1 \sin{(\sqrt{n^2 \pi^2 -1} \,t )} + C_2 \cos{(\sqrt{n^2 \pi^2 - 1}\, t)}
[/tex]
Now, regarding the boundary condition, what do you mean you don't know how to relate it to what you have? Just take the derivative of [tex] u(x,t) = X(x)T(t) [/tex] with respect to t and set it equal to zero for t=0.
 
  • #7
why should the generla solution for T be that?
 
  • #8
Read my post 2 above, and try to figure it out.
 
  • #9
so why should [itex] - \lambda = n^2 \pi^2 [/itex]
i m not sure about the 'conditions on the x part' to which you are referring. And wouldn't the solution become imaginary if that was the case?
 
  • #10
What is the solution to
[tex]
\frac{1}{X}\frac{d^2 X}{dx^2} = \lambda,
[/tex]
isn't it
[tex]
X = C_1 e^{\sqrt{\lambda} x} + C_2 e^{-\sqrt{\lambda} x}.
[/tex]
you get real exponentials and not real sines and cosines if [tex] \lambda > 0 [/tex]. If you try applying the boundary conditions with real exponentials then you find [tex] C_1 = C_2 = 0 [/tex]. Take it from here.
 
  • #11
i get it now lambda mustb e imaginary iof you are going to use Eler's identity and expand E into cos and sin. ANd thus carries onto the T(t) part where C1-0 and C2 =1 and the solution is what appears in the book

thank you for your help! I appreciate it!
 

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